Got the swap done in my Hatch. Review, pics, etc....longish
05-19-2003, 06:43 PM
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Got the swap done in my Hatch. Review, pics, etc....longish
I was done a while back with the swap, but lazy to post about it.
D16y7 =
35k on car = 
Get that sucka out!
Car was like this for only a couple hours.
Mmmm....b18c1.
Done....
Issues with swap. My first swap was a 99 Si into 97 Hx. I was much more prepared this time around, but this had a couple things happen I didn't expect.
Wiring...cake this time. I was well prepared. Purchased a 99-00 Si engine wire harness. Had to add IAB wiring, and secondary O2 sensor wiring. Temp sender wire had to be extended, a VTEC wire had to be exteneded, IAT sensor plug had to be changed to GSR style, and I had to move the fuel pump pin at the ECU. Used the 2001 GSR ECU that came with the swap, Immobilizer removed by Katman.
Installing engine Went smooth, no major problems. B series definitatly a tighter fit then the D series though. Used GSR shift linkage. I like the feel better then the Si linkage I had before. Shift **** also seems lower.
Throttle Cable This pissed me off.
Both the GSR cable, and CX cable left me with more slop in the line then I could adjust out with the nuts. No matter what I couldn't get full throttle with the pedal to the floor. So i rigged the cable with the rubber grommet from the Cx cable so I have 2 where there would normally be one.
Exhuast B18c1 exhuast didn't bolt up so I made this adaptor. The stock exhuast was too short, and the flange didn't line up. 1 7/8x1 7/8 adaptor and U bolt straps.
Radiator B18c1 radiator hoses don't fit stock radiator(too big) so I invested in a Del Sol VTEC dual core radiator by Koyo. Very worth it, high quality, and alot THICKER. $126 at http://www.radiators.com/price...46712
Driving
Much Much better. Having owned the b16 in a coupe before, this is definatly an improvement. Lowend with the b18 is much improved, and so is the midrange. Still has awesome high rpm pull though. AEM shortram gives it a nice sound too.
Engine runs GREAT...purrs like a kitten. Idle is solid, and the engine has no valve tapping noise or anything.
Not the happiest with the b18c gearing though. After driving a b16a2 around alot, I can tell the gearing with that was better. Shifting at redline with the b18c into second seems to drop the car out of the powerband for a second.
Third gear pulls real nice. My only problem, which really does suck is when I shift at high rpms the gear grinds as it goes in!! It still happens when I shift really slow to 3rd if I take the rpms high in second. 
Kinda sucks considering I paid $4000 for the engine, and it only has 23k miles on it. 
Guess that means tranny rebuild this winter, with ats 4.9fd or JDM ITR 4.78fd.
Overall Im really happy with the swap. Tranny thing does **** me off cuz I am getting to the point of which I don't want to spend anymore on the car for a while. I need to take a rest from cars for a little while.
Heres a closing pic with my car and my buddies. GC springs and Koni yellows going on this week so hold back the "looks like a 4 wheeler" comments!
Oh, and a link to the album.
D16y7 =
35k on car = Get that sucka out!
Car was like this for only a couple hours.
Mmmm....b18c1.
Done....
Issues with swap. My first swap was a 99 Si into 97 Hx. I was much more prepared this time around, but this had a couple things happen I didn't expect.
Wiring...cake this time. I was well prepared. Purchased a 99-00 Si engine wire harness. Had to add IAB wiring, and secondary O2 sensor wiring. Temp sender wire had to be extended, a VTEC wire had to be exteneded, IAT sensor plug had to be changed to GSR style, and I had to move the fuel pump pin at the ECU. Used the 2001 GSR ECU that came with the swap, Immobilizer removed by Katman.
Installing engine Went smooth, no major problems. B series definitatly a tighter fit then the D series though. Used GSR shift linkage. I like the feel better then the Si linkage I had before. Shift **** also seems lower.
Throttle Cable This pissed me off.
Both the GSR cable, and CX cable left me with more slop in the line then I could adjust out with the nuts. No matter what I couldn't get full throttle with the pedal to the floor. So i rigged the cable with the rubber grommet from the Cx cable so I have 2 where there would normally be one. Exhuast B18c1 exhuast didn't bolt up so I made this adaptor. The stock exhuast was too short, and the flange didn't line up. 1 7/8x1 7/8 adaptor and U bolt straps.
Radiator B18c1 radiator hoses don't fit stock radiator(too big) so I invested in a Del Sol VTEC dual core radiator by Koyo. Very worth it, high quality, and alot THICKER.
$126 at http://www.radiators.com/price...46712 Driving
Much Much better. Having owned the b16 in a coupe before, this is definatly an improvement. Lowend with the b18 is much improved, and so is the midrange. Still has awesome high rpm pull though. AEM shortram gives it a nice sound too.
Engine runs GREAT...purrs like a kitten. Idle is solid, and the engine has no valve tapping noise or anything.
Not the happiest with the b18c gearing though. After driving a b16a2 around alot, I can tell the gearing with that was better. Shifting at redline with the b18c into second seems to drop the car out of the powerband for a second.
Third gear pulls real nice. My only problem, which really does suck is when I shift at high rpms the gear grinds as it goes in!!
It still happens when I shift really slow to 3rd if I take the rpms high in second. Kinda sucks considering I paid $4000 for the engine, and it only has 23k miles on it. Guess that means tranny rebuild this winter, with ats 4.9fd or JDM ITR 4.78fd.
Overall Im really happy with the swap. Tranny thing does **** me off cuz I am getting to the point of which I don't want to spend anymore on the car for a while. I need to take a rest from cars for a little while.
Heres a closing pic with my car and my buddies. GC springs and Koni yellows going on this week so hold back the "looks like a 4 wheeler" comments!
Oh, and a link to the album.
05-19-2003, 06:57 PM
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Re: Got the swap done in my Hatch. Review, pics, etc....longish (HXMan)
Honda synchros are one of the weakest links...dont' be too pissed off..my cousins 00 Type R motor with 8,000 miles does it...also another friend had a 97 GSR motor with 34,000 miles and his does it....its very common..so dont' be too upset.
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05-19-2003, 07:10 PM
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Re: Got the swap done in my Hatch. Review, pics, etc....longish (slvrcivic97)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by slvrcivic97 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">sweet </TD></TR></TABLE>
I used to have that radiator too, it is really nice and does a great JOB !
</TD></TR></TABLE>I used to have that radiator too, it is really nice and does a great JOB !
05-19-2003, 07:11 PM
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Re: Got the swap done in my Hatch. Review, pics, etc....longish (super-dooper fast)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by super-dooper fast »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">did you go to a grave yard to take pics of your car? 
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lol i think so 
</TD></TR></TABLE>lol i think so
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05-19-2003, 07:31 PM
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Re: Got the swap done in my Hatch. Review, pics, etc....longish (HybridRacer)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by HybridRacer »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
lol i think so </TD></TR></TABLE>
hahahah... ..nice swap though..how long did it take u to do the swap?? i wanna do a swap on my car pretty son..but im such a *****..i have no clue what to do..how long did ur first swap take u..u think it can be done in a weekend..
lol i think so
</TD></TR></TABLE>hahahah...
..nice swap though..how long did it take u to do the swap?? i wanna do a swap on my car pretty son..but im such a *****..i have no clue what to do..how long did ur first swap take u..u think it can be done in a weekend..
05-19-2003, 07:39 PM
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Re: Got the swap done in my Hatch. Review, pics, etc....longish (HXMan)
the gearing in a bserious engine are mostly the same. not to different so thats wierd that u notice that. is it a big difference?
05-19-2003, 09:15 PM
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Re: Got the swap done in my Hatch. Review, pics, etc....longish (gezer)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by gezer »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">the gearing in a bserious engine are mostly the same. not to different so thats wierd that u notice that. is it a big difference?</TD></TR></TABLE>
The gears on the B16 are alot shorter than the B18C1's.
The gears on the B16 are alot shorter than the B18C1's.
05-19-2003, 09:25 PM
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Re: Got the swap done in my Hatch. Review, pics, etc....longish (Project H22DC4)
did my swap this weekend...friday (motor out), sat (new motor in), sunday (wiring and hoses). I worked about 6 hours each day. It was my first swap. If I were to do it again, I think it would take 12 hours of work.
05-19-2003, 09:26 PM
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Re: Got the swap done in my Hatch. Review, pics, etc....longish (00fbp)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Throttle Cable This pissed me off. Both the GSR cable, and CX cable left me with more slop in the line then I could adjust out with the nuts. No matter what I couldn't get full throttle with the pedal to the floor. So i rigged the cable with the rubber grommet from the Cx cable so I have 2 where there would normally be one.
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and i thought i was the only one with that problem in my EK at the time
well done man, the car looks nice, now how will it run?
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and i thought i was the only one with that problem in my EK at the time
well done man, the car looks nice, now how will it run?
'n the one point eight goodness!!
05-19-2003, 09:52 PM
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Re: Got the swap done in my Hatch. Review, pics, etc....longish (97hb)
try changing the tranny fluid, might help with the grinding issue....unless its really bad.
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yea.. im on my third tranny.. honda synchos cant hold up for shiiit.. i feel your pain.. luckily i been getin deals on trannys haha.. yea b16 gearing is super short.. i like it better for the 1320.. but if your a top speed fella gsr is cooo!!
05-19-2003, 11:19 PM
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Re: Got the swap done in my Hatch. Review, pics, etc....longish (GapxGuy)
does the radiatior cool the engine better than the stock radiator...cause i'm doing a swap pretty soon too...a jdm b16(modified w/ internals).