ToddDaniels

ok i know everything im going to need. but for the actual turbo itself, i have no idea what to get. here are a couple stipulations...
its going to be a daily driver
i want it to be boost fast, as low rpm as possible, (so i belive a smaller turbo would be what im looking for)
and i dont need like 300HP or anything. i want to break 200 hp, and if possible 200 Tq. i have a stock d16, 97 ex civic.
yes i understand that i will need new internals, but thats not the point.
so any help is welcome any input. if there are any id like a turbo that could spool by about 1500-3000.

adam00

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You can do 200whp on a stock motor easily

0ne-Cam

alright to start off you dont need to mess with your internals, if its a low milage d16 id leave it alone. start off by doing a compression test, if the #s are even throught out the block than your good. if you dont want more than 250whp id suggest buying ebay piping because those kits are alright for no more than 300hp (from my experience + low budget). than invest into a gt25-28 ballbearing, fast spooling turbo from garrett. id suggest buying a complete kit from Apexi ballbearing IHI turbo kit, them things are amazing, fast spooling, and good for your setup. you will defenitely need to invest into a good engine management, some dsm 450's will be good, walbro fuel pump. if you know your basics on a turbo build, read alot on forced induction for your use only because its going to help you down the road. i hope this help, its just my .02

TravisCadello

This is my next build! i have a D16 at the shop that I'm build for boost. but i didn't know it will be good on stock internals. hmm.

Either way my z6 needs new rings and crankshaft due to a stripped crank pulley bolt lol.

93egSLEEPER

you need a nice small T3/T04E turbo. nothing above a .54 trim.
relatively cheap and easy to find, great spool up and good numbers.

TravisCadello

How much are we looking at for a good setup total? everything tune everything

BuiltCivic99

a stock d16 u dont need internals...but low mileage or not on a stock d16 ....dont run more than 9 PSI if its a stick or more than 6 its an auto..reason for lower on auto cuz if u boost higher ur RPM's are gonna be flying through the gears n the auto trans will be behind in shift points and its gonna be hittin rev limiter all day.

BuiltCivic99

but if u want more than 10 psi ...yes ur gonna need internals and injectors/a walbro and probably gonna want a turbo timer

TravisCadello

like this?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1fQS6JXm2Jc

TravisCadello

and why only 9 on stick? i thought it can take it? or you mean stock clutch?

BuiltCivic99

ahaha ye....exactly. see : ) lol

BuiltCivic99

cuz....no the d16 is very weak for boost any more than 9 on a d16 with stock internals will blow it ....no matter how u shift the second u hit the spooling point of the turbo even if u shift at that time...wtf good is the turbo then

BuiltCivic99

any motor can handle boost it just is a matter of how much...stock d16. no more than 9 psi on any type of trans end of story : )

TravisCadello

ill be good with 7-8psi

BuiltCivic99

wut u got?

98civdx

stock d series cannot handle much more, low miles or not, i have acully heard its better to boost ds with a highier miles.
the tranny should be ok for a little highier and the clutch will of corse need to be replaced with something that can handle the higher power.

Juan_Mitosis

And I always thought that the correct measure for how much an engine can handle was in Horsepower, and not in psi since psi in different turbines cause different results.

I've always read here that stock D can do 200-220 whp with a great tune.

BuiltCivic99

thats true but the 8 psi that u get + your basic upgrades for it. fuel pump/injectors tune , cold air and an headeer back full exhaust will get u 200. but why would it matter how much HP it has to handle boost

Juan_Mitosis

What I meant was the use of HP as stress measurement, since the same PSI could yield different HP results when using different turbines.

BuiltCivic99

that true i guess in some cases that more powerful motors are stronger but....

inspector01

Don't listen to most of what was said in this thread. PSI does not really matter. A good condition D with a good tune can take 200 no problem, up to probably 250 whp max reliably. Find a small turbo that is capable of your power goals and you should be good, you could spend $100 on a stock tubo off of something, or $1000 on a GT series, up to you on how much you want to spend.

Basically, quit reading this thread after post #5 because they don't know what they are talking about.

BuiltCivic99

lol i dont kno wut im talking about?? please enlighten me on what im wrong about .

inspector01

You should have bigger injectors for any boosted Honda really, injectors are based on power not boost level, but you can get away on a low boost setup with an FMU or not revving to redline. But 9 psi isn’t the magical number you need injectors for. Also, a stock fuel pump is good to over 200 whp, again, not psi related, related to power.
This makes no sense at all....
This is incorrect also, I have run many D15s and D16s on more than 9 psi. We ran a 100% stock 114k mile D15b2 (original paper headgasket, original timing belt) on 10 psi, and that is one of the weak D-series motors.
Cold air intake and header don’t apply to a turbo setup.......so you clearly don’t know what you are talking about.


Again, it doesn’t matter how much boost it take, hp is what matters to what the engine can take.

Schister66

You're getting quite a bit of bad info here....you need to post this in the Forced Induction forum. The Civic and Integra forums are notorious for mixed information. Since you're new to boost, it may be confusing or send you in the wrong direction. Go to FI