93Civic Green Monster

what could be swapped into a 93 civic coupe ex out mof these engines?
http://japanstarmotor.com/honda.html

Daniel_san

all of them

93Civic Green Monster

which is the best for the price?

Daniel_san

Some intro swap information

Switching OBD motors

Many people think that swapping in a pre OBDI motor into their 92+ Civic is a good idea. I disagree. First, you'll have to swap the car from OBDI to OBD0 ot try and change the motor to OBDI. If you get a swap older than a 1991, you have to deal with the cable to hydro tranny conversion. The 1992-1993 Integra is the oddball swap of the bunch, being OBD1 and cable tranny. Your stock Civic has a hydraulic transmission.
Swapping from OBDII to OBDI is a common thing more and more now. Although the idea is quite good, it has flaws. If you use a jumper harness, it is very difficult to get the ECM to fit back in it's original location. Also, unless you feel like changing things back at inspection time, it's going to be impossible to pass in some areas. Now places are implementing OBDII testing that will have the tester plug a computer into your OBDII port to check for legality (no pulling the check engine light bulbs anymore to pass).

General swap info and tips

This could be better covered by someone with more swap experience, but I'll put in my $.02. Do it from the top. Just because more people have access to the tools and locations where putting in a swap from the top is easier. Also, make sure you have some way to crack the axle nuts loose. Air tools are a lifesaver when you have to turn bolts in a job like this, as is a torque wrench and a GOOD set of sockets.

If you can follow directions on here and unbolt things and rebolt them with a little wiring, you can do a swap.

JDM Swaps

Honestly, unless these come from a friend in Japan, you're taking a gamble every time. You have no real way to know how many miles are on the engine, nor how it was treated. Just keep that in mind. It has not been proven (no matter how many claims) that these JDM motors make any more HP.


Where to find them
First of all, if you are looking for a USDM motor, I'll suggest local junkyards. They are probally your best bet, as you can look at what you're getting instead of having to order it. Many people on here have bough swaps online, and they have posted their experiences in this thread:

https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=50010


Possible Swaps

Now before someone jumps on me and says anything is possible with enough time and money, I know. These are going to be fairly straightforward options with the pros/cons.

D series swaps
These are fairly inexpensive and come in a variety of Civics. IMHO, these are the easiest swaps to drop in. I also don't want to hear a bunch of whining about the opinions on power levels. Of course there are going to be some exceptions to the rule.

Pros
Inexpensive
Decent potential (200 whp or so on stock internals)
OEM parts are cheap
More than enough for most people
The best D series come with ~130 hp tops
Optional factory LSD in the JDM D15B

Cons
Not as much potential as some other motors
Transmission not geared for accelleration
Don't respond to bolt ons well
Only way to get real power out of them is FI

B16
These can be found in the JDM SIR and SIRII (among other JDM cars, which I don't claim to know all of which it came in) as well as the USDM 99-00 SI (EM1) and the 99-00 Canadian SIR.

Pros
160 hp stock
High RPM power
Fairly inexpensive
Good transmission
DOHC VTEC

Cons
113ft/lbs torque (very little more than a D16z6 stock)
Without knowing what you're looking for you can end up with a high mileage JDM model
Under 4k or so it feels just like a D16

B18B
This is the motor in the non Type-R and non GSR Integra.

Pros
Good torque for a 1.8L (127 ft/lbs)
Inexpensive (even cheaper than a B16)
142 hp (more than any stock D series)
Boost heads love them

Cons
No VTEC
Longest B series transmission

B18C1 (or JDM B18C)
These come out of an Integra GSR.

Pros
Good Hp and TQ numbers (170, 121 ft/lbs respectively)
DOHC VTEC
Tons of potential
High revving

Cons
Expensive
Becoming moreso as people keep scooping them up
Slighty longer tranny than the ITR and B16

B18C5 (or JDM B18C)
This is found in the Integra Type-R. IMHO this is the best swap for a Civic.

Pros
GREAT HP and TQ numbers (195 and 134 ft/lbs)
High revving
Hand built motor from Honda
Optional factory LSD
Best transmission for a B series from the factory
Red valve cover

Cons
EXPENSIVE
If JDM ITR is used, the 36mm axle 32mm hub problems occur

B16B
This is the motor found in the Civic Type R found all over the world.

Pros
185 hp 117 ft/lbs
High revving
Good top end power
Red valve cover

Cons
Expensive- almost as much as an ITR for lower performance
Very little torque still, have to rev the motor to make power

B20

Pros
Great torque (133 ft/lbs)
good boost motors
inexpensive
B20z=146hp

Cons
Thin cylinder walls
Have to peice together a swap for a Civic (can't drop it in with a B20 tranny)
Won't pass BAR (light truck motor in a car)
Low hp in the B20b(126 hp)

H22/JDM F20B

Pros
200 hp
H22=156 ft/lbs torque
F20B=145 ft/lbs torque
Great torque
DONT WEIGH THAT MUCH MORE THAN A B SWAP!!
https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=684550

Cons
Harder to install than a B/D motor
transmission feel is vague IMHO
Less info out there for the swap (aka, less experience as they are less common)
Price of swap is comperable to a B18C5 after everything is said and done (mounts, etc)

K20
This can be found in the new EP3, the RSX (base and Type S) as well as other cars across the world (RSX R, etc). This is the future of the swap IMHO. There is a writeup on installing one of these in one issue of Sport Compact Car magazine (June 2004 I *think*)

Pros
200 hp 158 ft/lbs torque (RSX R)
I-VTEC
Respond VERY well to bolt ons
6 speed transmission
Most have very low miles

Cons
Still super expensive
More difficult swap than a B or D

Well, there you have it people. I've outlined some of the pros cons on some of the most popular swaps.

Check out the FAQ thread for more info on how to install them.
https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=642479

Most of these HP/TQ numbers were taken from Hmotors online if I didn't know them. Don't bite my head off if they aern't correct. I don't claim to be a walking encyclopedia, so I have had some help.

SFC

I'm pretty sure people were talking trash on japanstar... I'd find out more about them before you go there.

Daniel_san

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yes they were !!

check out http://www.japanstarmotor.com &
http://www.japanstarmotorS.com

one is a scammer site. I don't trust either

phthalo

an f20 can be put into a civic?

rb26_gtr

what exactly was said and by who...Japanstarmotors was created by another competitor who is tryin to make JAPANSTARMOTOR.COM look bad. im pretty sure its someone from canada who is jelous of japanstarmotor and is trying to make them loose business by saying stuff like that..
all i hear about japanstarmotor are good things
the right company is http://www.japanstarmotor.com
toll free 1-866-940-6666 or local 703 368 4422

https://honda-tech.com/zero...age=4

rb26_gtr

ok to be totaly honest it really doesnt matter what people say about japanstarmotor because it is a big company that sells alot of engines and for the people who have bought from them know the deal. and now that will be passed on there friends and it will keep going. find another site that can beat the prices from japanstarmotor and best of all FREE SHIPPING ALL OVER THE UNITED STATES. other places will charge you 200-400 for shipping especialy from canada.
for everyone reading this compare the prices for japanstarmotor and totalboost.
you will notice japanstar has a flat rate for the engine shiped to your door as totalboost will charge more for the engine plus you pay for shipping, customs not to mention he does not ship out the engines himself therefore not knowing exactly if the engine is being compressioned checked or if it is complete. thats all i have to say.

TotalJDM.com

Well our name is brought up once again, so I'll say it again... prices don't mean anything. Some people are willing to spend a bit more and know they get a good engine, yet some like to gamble and go with the lowest price possible.

Today's engine market is a joke. A new company opens every week and they think they will concur the market by having better prices? Right. After almost a year in business, I realized that serious people only want what they were promised, nothing less, and they will keep returning aslong as you keep this promise alive.

We have alot of customers who are thankful we even speak english, and they can comprehend perfectly what we are saying. And for the record, we have a location in Vancouver Canada, and soon to be in Ottawa (it's only a big storage right now, to lower shipping rates for Eastern customers).

Andre
andre@totaljdm.com

CivicVX94

they say that a b16b civic type r is a l.8 liter lol