angel_i

I saw this on Ebay. Should I do this conversion from regular gas to E85, it looks like an injector resistor box, is it worth it?

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors...29655

0mtber

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Don't waste your time or money. The proper way to tune an e85 vehicle is using an engine management system such as hondata, neptune, ectune etc.

Spool This

says engine light comes? than he says to reset it? does it even work? how do you know. i would assume he never check why the engine light comes on. i say pay high gas prices and *** E85

angel_i

e85 is around 75 cents cheaper in my neck of the woods. Of course Hondata would be used to tune and what are the risks of e85 on the stock fuel system?

Rick James

ive heard of ppl running turbo and e85...

angel_i

2 gallons of e85 with my needled right above the red and everything is running fine for 7 miles.

RyanA

It takes 30% more E85 to do the same amount of work as regular gasoline. So, this means that E85 has to be at LEAST 30% cheaper just so you can break even. Your gas mileage will drop. Also, if you use a car tuned for E85, it will be VERY rich on regular gasoline if you have no way to switch on the fly. If you have a high compression or turbo car, E85 can be useful to ward off detonation due to its higher octane properties.

Not a fan of E85 myself since there is only one place within 30 miles of me that sells it and it's the same price up to 15 cents HIGHER than regular gas there.

Schister66

The only time you're really going to gain anything from going E85 on a Honda is if there is work done to it (ie. turbo setup or higher compression). On the completely stock engine, there is no benefit to running E85 since your car really wont use it efficiently.

On the other hand, in the turbo world, E85 is a god-send. Its ~$2.79/gal and is 105 octane; therefore, cheap race gas. Another thing to consider when attempting to run E85 is that it requires 30% more fuel than gasoline and runs a stoich of 9.1:1. I dont see how this little plug in module is going to fix all of the little issues the stock car will have with E85.

If you wanted to get your car retuned with a larger set of injectors, you could make the switch possible, but i'd be VERY skeptical of items like the one linked above.

One last note. The stock injectors will be damn near maxxed in order to run E85 effectively.

240cc inj x 4inj = 960cc total
960cc / 5cc (per hp) = 192 hp (on gasoline)
192hp / 1.3 (E85 conversion factor) = 148 hp

Leland

I'm building a 14:1 compression built motor with fully built head and valvetrain so i'm going e85 because it would be very difficult for a motor at this compression to run smoothly without a high octane. Of course there's about 5+hrs of tuning, but my buddy has a built sohc w/built head running 12:1 compression and is making 185whp...!!! Most people say it takes 30% more e85 and that's a long overlooked myth. Realistically your going to see a 5-15% drop in fuel economy, not 30%. Maybe like 20yrs ago but not now w/the proper tuning.

thumper64

Lets say you do tune the car for E85 and it's cheaper, you should still convert to stainless gas lines and everything since it's corrosive. There goes any savings.

Leland

Standard Honda fuel systems are proven to hold up to the e85. They've been built to hold up to that stuff for probably 20yrs now. There's enough actual gas in the e85 to lubricate things up a bit as well. Most people have a rough mind about how to change a car over, and what most people don't think of is the people that design these cars to last over the years take all of this into mind. I'm sure you know stainless lines are pretty much rubber hose w/stainless braiding around it, so I mean yea they're gonna hold up, but it's not a huge difference.