TheProffessa

Go easy on me I'm new to this...

I'm steadily installing performance parts on my 94 del sol si but nothing noticeable yet!

Have installed
Denso Iridium spark plugs
8.5 Magnecore ignition wires
AEM Short Ram Intake
P2R Fuel Rail
NRG Torque Damper

Plan on installing
Unorhtodox Racing Pulley Kit
Gude Camshaft
Koyo Radiator
Flex-a-Lite Fan
Skunk2 Exhaust
ACT XACT Flywheel
Walbro Fuel Pump (190lph)
RC Fuel injectors (310cc)
DC Sports Headers
MSD Ignition (everything)
Skunk2 Intake Manifold (68mm)
Skunk2 Throttle Body (68mm)
JE pistons
Skunk2 Cam Gear
Eagle rods
Head gasket and Intake Manifold gasket
Hondata s300 for tuning

Obviously I'm only 1/4 of the way there. But I havn't felt a milisecond difference in acceleration. It's the same as stock except it sounds cool.

Can someone tell me if it's worth it to keep going??? Cuz thusfar I'm very dissappointed. I actually feel like the fuel rail slowed me down... HELP!

HondaPartsHero

No

kaiba

Denso Iridium spark plugs - No power gain
8.5 Magnecore ignition wires - No power gain
AEM Short Ram Intake - Changes the power curves. At most 1-3HP gain.
P2R Fuel Rail - No power change. Completely pointless
NRG Torque Damper - It's a mount. No power gain.

TheProffessa

So if I should't install these things because none of them make power, why do they exist? How do you make power?

mayfly

the fuel rail will act the same as stock unless you up the pressure with a fuel regulator. but then u need to add more air or you will run rich.

the stock intake and a aem intake dont really change to much without changing other things. it will just change the sound. maybe a litttle more throttle response.

theres not much u can do with the d series engine without alot of money'

just get a ls swap and enjoy the torque gain.

and all the other stuff was just money spent up on a nice tune-up really.

and the tourqe damper is good for turbo if you plan to do that, but that engine isnt really powerful enough to do anything close to what the damper is really used for

kaiba

Unorhtodox Racing Pulley Kit - No power gain. Engine will rev a little faster
Gude Camshaft - What are your goals?
Koyo Radiator - No gain. Waste of money, unless you need you engine to be more cooler(temp)
Flex-a-Lite Fan - Pointless
Skunk2 Exhaust - 1-5HP
ACT XACT Flywheel - No power gain. Again, engine will rev little faster.
Walbro Fuel Pump (190lph) - Pointless
RC Fuel injectors (310cc) - Pointless. You don't it yet.
DC Sports Headers - 1-5HP
MSD Ignition (everything) - Factory ignition works just fine
Skunk2 Intake Manifold (68mm) - What are your goals?
Skunk2 Throttle Body (68mm) - What are your goals?
JE pistons - What are your goals?
Skunk2 Cam Gear - What are your goals?
Eagle rods - What are your goals?
Head gasket and Intake Manifold gasket - What are your goals?
Hondata s300 for tuning - What are your goals?


What are your goals?

TheProffessa

Thanks. So if I open up the air with throttle body, and intake manifold, it will start to match what the fuel rail is supposed to do?

kaiba

Best bet is to swap and/or add a turbo kit.

TheProffessa

I don't have goals, just trying to get it to accelerate faster than it is now. Is that bad? ... And another question... Would the turbo kit from turbo-kits.com do anything?

TheProffessa

Swap? Should I get the DOHC VTEC Del Sol engine and keep going from there?

QuatroAce

https://honda-tech.com/forums/honda-civic-del-sol-1992-2000-1/guide-answer-common-question-just-bought-civic-how-do-i-make-faster-2915974/

tunedX

iTrader: (1)

The stuff you have done, aren't supposed to give you a noticeable gain, maybe once you do I/H/E and get it tuned, you might notice a slight gain. And if you go ahead with camshaft upgrade and stuff, you would notice

grumblemarc

iTrader: (4)

Not really. You will need to seriously start building the internals. N/A builds are just not cost effective. You could have pieced together what I call an entry level turbo kit and that would blow the doors off of what you put into this one.

TheProffessa

But arent the internals your talking about the cams and pulleys and pistons etc??

grumblemarc

iTrader: (4)

Yeah. Are you saying you've done these or are planning to do them? Did I read your post incorrectly? With what you've done so far you won't see anything.

Jrivera227

This isnt like playing NFS Underground not everything adds power and somethings will support it or make it smoother or run better. I think the best advice is from grumble build the internals or swap it its not going to be cheap and easy.

apexi_rsx

if u want a night and day experience of power you need to swap or add a turbo kit like mention above. these d16 econo motors do not respond well to bolt ons and u may gain 10hp and get 125whp. you could turbo your d16 on 5-10psi on a t3 turbo with stock engine and make 160-210whp. It depends on what your power goals are and budget.

Kohen

Boost it

TheProffessa

Ok thanks everyone!!! From what I've gathered, I'm going to install everything I had planned. No time, money, or rescources for engine swap. I will put a good turbo in some day when I have the money, at least the rest of the engine will be built to support the turbo. I just put in the throttle body and intake manifold and it made a WORLD of difference. So I think its worth it to complete that list I have up there. Thanks for the input everyone!

B18CivicEJ8

What a waste of time, money, and resources. If you are building the engine to support turbo, then what pistons and rod combo are you getting? Cause that combo will slow you down if you get lower compression pistons that are designed for turbo but aren't using a turbo. You need to set a goal of what you want. How much power do you want? What are your plans for the car? Are you going to drag race? Road race? That's what people want to know in order to help you. You set a goal first, then build your car to get to that goal. Not just throw a bunch of crap on and feel faster with your butt dyno. That MSD ignition won't do anything for you unless you are running over 500 HP. The stock Honda ignition system is more than sufficient. But you keep reading those magazines and throw on what you want. Cause obviously, you didn't listen to what anyone posted and are going to do what you want anyway. Good luck to you.

B18CivicEJ8

https://honda-tech.com/forums/showth...2964727&page=1

You posted this back in August. So, back in August, you had a Greddy Turbo kit bolted on your car from what I understand. What happened to it? Or was that all just BS talk? You're either trolling or just full of it.

EsotericImage

iTrader: (8)

Jimster480

Things that make power:
Cold Air Intake
Header
Exhaust (If you can remove the cat then you get more power)
E3 Diamondfire Plugs (Dyno Proven HP Gains)
Intake Manifold & Throttle Body
Adjustable Cam Gears (Possible to get a couple HP from timing)
Cam(s)
Porting
Polishing
Valve Jobs
Compression Increase (or Decreased for FI)
Tune
------ FI Under Here ------
Turbo
Supercharger
Nitrous


The things you listed don't really give any power. A MSD w/ some good spark plug wires will give 1-2HP at max. Usually those systems are only used to create stronger sparks under high compression/FI applications.

Fuel Rail, Fan, Oil Cooler, Radiator, etc

Wrona

i think this guy is trolling

bakc in august:

now hes saying he has a 190lph kid please stop trying to dream get the parts and dont bs or atlease if ur going to bs someone learn something before you open your mouth

eatpoo

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Best thing to do is read every part of the FAQ then ask questions if you still haven't found an answer.

The guys who put the effort into the endless write ups really did a wonderful thing for anyone who owns or is considering buying a civic. I just wish I found this site before I bought my car.


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