Halive

Ok look at the importtuner web page under tech were they put on sk2 stage 2 cams. They only gained 8 hp and lost 4 or so lb. And that is after fuel and gear tunning. That is a really shitty 1500 investment. Do they really suck that bad???

B18C5-EH2

What kind of car/ motor was this in by the way?

If Skunk2 Stage 2 cams suck, then so do the ever-popluar JUN 3 cams.

I've seen the specs for both (can't recall where on the 'net :hammer and they are so identical that it's not even funny.

With a high-lift, longer duration cam such as those 2 listed above it's important to realize that they are intended for HIGHER compression motors and not the stock 10.0-10.6 that some of you might have.

These aren't supposed to be the baddest "drop in" cams on the market, and if you want some power on stock CR be prepared to spend a small grip on lots of tuning.

They can and have made good power in stock CR motors, but these are usually at least the 10.6:1 JDM GS-R (actually SiR-G) or the 10.6:1 USDM ITR or even better the 11:1 motors with some tuning in them.

Try posting something like this topic in the ITR forum and see what you come up with. You might get mixed reviews over there because the ITR board seems to lean towards spending top dollar on everything including cams, but if some people rip too hard on the Skunk2 Stage 2 then they will be ripping on JUN 3 cams too since the specs are identical save for like a degree or so on one cam.

Halive

the cams were put in a gsr motor. It just seems wierd that the exhaust they put on the car (skunk2) made more power than the cams.

blackANESE

iTrader: (2)

Skunk 2 stage 2 Int. 266 dur. 12.3 mm lift
Exh. 262 dur. 11.8 mm lift

Jun 3 Int. 265 Dur. 12.0 mm lift
Exh. 265 Dur. 11.5 mm lift

rodrez.

I've heard good and bad things about the Skunk2 cams. I agree that they should be tested on a higher compression motor. When you throw a good sized cam into a stock compression GSR motor, you're not going to see a lot gained. A friend of mine who is a well known dyno tuner in Socal said that the Skunks have never done that well on his dyno, but the cars using them were stock block, stock compression GSR's.

vtecvoodoo

That`s problem #1

blackANESE

iTrader: (2)

LOL.

vtecvoodoo

ImportReview.com and/or (same sites really) ImportBuilders.com might have tried a set.

Ryan

Gong Show

This is what alot of people dont understand... they think that you can drop them in a Usdm Gsr and get high gains. I know a kid with JunIII's and he's making like 175-180hp(178)&125-130(129)tq(somwhere in that range) on the 10.6 compression motor. I told him and the shop that they should up the CR a year ago. I think there finally getting around to doing it now. Right now im trying to get my CTR/ITR cams dropped in and i still want at least 11.5:1 compression with those cams.

WAFFLES

Yeah the cams obviously require higher compression. The only beef I have heard with these cams is numerous reports of broken cams with the stage 2s. This seems to be the most common problem right now.

Also, compare the stage 1s to 2s on a stock gsr. A gsr with i/h/e makes more power with the stage1 cams compared to 2s.

Thrashin

ive got a set sitting around that i might put in my motor. ill let you guys know the results if i do it. if anyone would like to make an offer on them id be willing to sell. theyre still in the boxes

WAFFLES

just put em on and tell us how they feel and get some numbers.

Thrashin

i probably will, but im short on cash right now so if somone offers to buy them then they will be sold. if i do put them in then i should be able to give some real numbers. ive got a jdm itr yielding 11.5:1 compression, so i should definately be able to get more hp out of them than the fools that just drop them into some stock motor and expect a huge increase. ill keep you posted waffles

WAFFLES

please do. I'm thinkin of getting some Toda Spec As for my b16 and raising the compression to about 10.8:1.

Thrashin

go higher, atleast get into the 11 range, well if you are going all motor

hipnotize

i heard alot of bad stuff about these cams too peeps are saying that you only get like 8hp when you drop them in but i saw the dyno chart that ImportReview did and they are almost the same as jun 3......... if you are only going to to be runninh 10.1 compression then just go with the stage 1's but as for my i will have 13.1 so the stage 2's will runs fine and if you lube the cams up real nice you should not have a problem with them snapping.


[Modified by dan_knee, 9:57 PM 6/28/2002]

Gong Show

For those running 11.8-12.0 on pump gas, what are you running your timing at and what other precautions do you take to avoid pinging...

I was kinda thinking of some CTR pistons in my GSR motor which should be somewhere around 12.0-12.1 range. which might be an over kill for just CTR/ITR cams, which i might stick with PR3 pistons with a two layer gasket.

whats you thoughts if you got that high of compression?

vtecvoodoo

I ran 12:1 on 91 octane for two years. Using all Honda parts, too. Stock pistons (ctr), rods, etc.

Gong Show

yeah i wanna keep everything pretty much OEM. maybe upgrade to a JUNII intake cam later on.

Thrashin

damn 12:1 on 91 octane, thats crazy. and i was worried about 11.5:1 on 93 octane

vtecvoodoo

once 91 was introduced, it kinda went downhill. I`m selling an ls block w/ out pistons in the classifieds, wonder why? haha

92-up it should be totally fine if it`s dialed in properly and built right. Import Builders runs close to 13:1 on 92.


Ryan

Gong Show

What kinda valve and ignition timing are you peeps running with 11.8 or higer compression? And are any of you using these motors for daily driving? also is compression like that safe for lapping and auto-x events? 15-20 minute sessions for the lapping events?

jinxproof99

i will be installing skunk2 stage 2 cams in my other civic next week. the set up will be:

b16 head
skunk2 stage 2 cams
skunk2 springs/retainers
skunk2 ecu
inlinepro cam gears
golden eagle 86 mm bore
11.5:1 forged pistons
ls spec forged rods
ls crank
jdm itr header
itr cold air intake
itr intake manifold
no cat
greddy exhaust
b16 tranny
quaiffe

i'm looking for 210 horsepower to the wheels and 150+ ft/lbs of torque on 93 octane. i'll let you guys know what we get.