DIY 5lug conversion question.
10-06-2004, 08:05 AM
#1
Go Tigers!
Thread Starter
DIY 5lug conversion question.
I have been wondering this for a while. in the prelude vtec big brake conversion for our egs/eks it says that you can either buy the prelude rotors or the ITR rotors and drill them to 4x100 so i know that these rotors are the same size. Also you can either buy the prelude calipers, ITR calipers, or NSX calipers. My question is, If i was to buy the ITR or CRV hub which can bee seen below, would it be possible to place this in my GSR knuckles with the big brake conversion and have a po-mans 5lug conversion?
Modified by thebense at 12:26 PM 10/6/2004
Modified by thebense at 12:26 PM 10/6/2004
10-06-2004, 08:24 AM
#3
Honda-Tech Member
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: San Francisco, CA
Posts: 4,338
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Re: (pdiggitydogg)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by pdiggitydogg »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">...I dont know why I havent thought of that before
Good question
edit**
isnt the axle on those 36mm? or is that only itr</TD></TR></TABLE>
36mm is ONLY JDM ITR 5-lug.. everything else including our ITR is the same which i believe is 32mm..
Good question
edit**
isnt the axle on those 36mm? or is that only itr</TD></TR></TABLE>
36mm is ONLY JDM ITR 5-lug.. everything else including our ITR is the same which i believe is 32mm..
10-06-2004, 11:25 AM
#6
Go Tigers!
Thread Starter
Re: DIY 5lug conversion question. (TypeRVETECH)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by TypeRVETECH »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">u can use the jdm civic 5 lug swap. thats allu need</TD></TR></TABLE>
sorry, i don't feel like spending 900 dollars.
sorry, i don't feel like spending 900 dollars.
Trending Topics
10-06-2004, 05:17 PM
#10
Honda-Tech Member
Join Date: Oct 2002
Location: Southern NJ, USA
Posts: 2,369
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Re: DIY 5lug conversion question. (thebense)
there may be an offset issue though..i know with my gsr hub/prelude rotor/itr caliper, there is a 3mm offset issue from the rotor, and such. What determines that, the hub or the whole knuckle itself...worth a shot tho.
10-06-2004, 05:19 PM
#11
Honda-Tech Member
Join Date: Dec 2002
Location: Harbeson, De, USA
Posts: 3,823
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Re: (ej0513)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by ej0513 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
36mm is ONLY JDM ITR 5-lug.. everything else including our ITR is the same which i believe is 32mm..</TD></TR></TABLE>
the accord has 36mm axle nuts.
36mm is ONLY JDM ITR 5-lug.. everything else including our ITR is the same which i believe is 32mm..</TD></TR></TABLE>
the accord has 36mm axle nuts.
10-06-2004, 06:44 PM
#12
Go Tigers!
Thread Starter
Re: (slambedcivic)
how about getting the ITR hub and redrilling the 4lug rotor to 5lug? And before you guys flame, sorry that i don't have the funds to fork out 1g for the "real" conversion and another 500 for wheels
10-06-2004, 06:51 PM
#14
Go Tigers!
Thread Starter
Re: (xerox445)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by xerox445 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">why would you want to do that...i hate people that just want 5 lug for bling... 
</TD></TR></TABLE>
what if i want the gunmetal ITR wheels?
</TD></TR></TABLE>what if i want the gunmetal ITR wheels?
10-06-2004, 06:55 PM
#15
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: WESTside
Posts: 398
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Re: (thebense)
whats that gotta do with bling foo, just cause u want 5 lug dont mean u want bling, how about the option of diff wheels that u can get instead of the regular stuff..... just help the man out....... dang whats with people jumping all over the place cause the foo wants to do his own 5 lug, either u can help him out or dont bother to post it will help everything run smoothly with less problems
10-06-2004, 07:18 PM
#17
Honda-Tech Member
Join Date: Oct 2002
Location: Southern NJ, USA
Posts: 2,369
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Re: (thebense)
i thought you didn't have 9 bills to spend on an expensive 5 lug conversion, and another 5 for afford heavy ITR wheels? would it help if they were imported from japan? 
upgrade your **** for performance, not for looks...that's my motto any who.
I mean, you want to get all technical and crap so here we go.
First of all, you don't use ITR rotors on a 94+ integra hub.
1. They are not hub-centric and will cause all sorts of problems and vibrations.
2. They are 5 lug, and much harder to drill to 4 lug, due to place of studs, and lack of material.
I believe you can get a ITR wheel bearing, and hub and have that pressed in. You actually don't even need a press, I've done it b4 a few times with my hubs with a axle hub puller and a slide hammer, rented from autozone, 20 bucks a piece. You can even keep them if you want. I know for 20 bucks, i definitely kept the axle puller.
Your idea of drilling a 4 x 100 rotor to 5 lug is novel, but it wont work.
1. The offset of the rotor is different then the ITR.
2. The thickness of the rotor is different then that of the ITR.
3. The lug pattern is different, and would be a pain in the *** to drill.
4. You would loose the 2 screws that hold the rotor on the hub. (Note i know most don't run them, but i expect this being a problem because of #5.
5. The 4x100 is hub centric, where as the ITR is lug centric. The Clearances on the 5 lug are a bit tighter to hold it in place on the hub exactly center. The screws keep them in place. I don't know this for a fact, but if you have a problem with lug centric on a hub centric, then it must be viceversa.
6. This is assuming your using a different caliper, if you don't it just wont fit, the rotor is larger in diameter.
So, yes its very apparent to me that your interested in 5 lug for a much different reason then i would be. That's why i made my 4X100 setup which includes:
GSR Knuckles
ARP Extended Lug Nuts
Honda OEM Open Ended lug nuts
96 Prelude Vtec Rotors Re-drilled to 4 x 100 and balanced
2001 ITR Re-man Calipers
Prestige 3mm, and 8mm Spacers
Stainless Brakelines
GSR Master Cyl and Booster
4040 Non-Abs Prop Valve
GL with the 5 lug in any event....
upgrade your **** for performance, not for looks...that's my motto any who.
I mean, you want to get all technical and crap so here we go.
First of all, you don't use ITR rotors on a 94+ integra hub.
1. They are not hub-centric and will cause all sorts of problems and vibrations.
2. They are 5 lug, and much harder to drill to 4 lug, due to place of studs, and lack of material.
I believe you can get a ITR wheel bearing, and hub and have that pressed in. You actually don't even need a press, I've done it b4 a few times with my hubs with a axle hub puller and a slide hammer, rented from autozone, 20 bucks a piece. You can even keep them if you want. I know for 20 bucks, i definitely kept the axle puller.
Your idea of drilling a 4 x 100 rotor to 5 lug is novel, but it wont work.
1. The offset of the rotor is different then the ITR.
2. The thickness of the rotor is different then that of the ITR.
3. The lug pattern is different, and would be a pain in the *** to drill.
4. You would loose the 2 screws that hold the rotor on the hub. (Note i know most don't run them, but i expect this being a problem because of #5.
5. The 4x100 is hub centric, where as the ITR is lug centric. The Clearances on the 5 lug are a bit tighter to hold it in place on the hub exactly center. The screws keep them in place. I don't know this for a fact, but if you have a problem with lug centric on a hub centric, then it must be viceversa.
6. This is assuming your using a different caliper, if you don't it just wont fit, the rotor is larger in diameter.
So, yes its very apparent to me that your interested in 5 lug for a much different reason then i would be. That's why i made my 4X100 setup which includes:
GSR Knuckles
ARP Extended Lug Nuts
Honda OEM Open Ended lug nuts
96 Prelude Vtec Rotors Re-drilled to 4 x 100 and balanced
2001 ITR Re-man Calipers
Prestige 3mm, and 8mm Spacers
Stainless Brakelines
GSR Master Cyl and Booster
4040 Non-Abs Prop Valve
GL with the 5 lug in any event....
10-06-2004, 10:25 PM
#18
Join Date: Jan 2004
Location: Where Your Girl Lives, Sunshine, US
Posts: 308
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
i thought of doing that b4 and i know that the GSR and Type R has the same hub/knuckle so why wouldnt it work but if you can already get the 5-lug hub shouldnt you already have the whole 5 lug conversion layin there
10-06-2004, 11:30 PM
#20
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: Mansfield, tx, USA
Posts: 798
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Re: DIY 5lug conversion question. (thebense)
I would think that you could use CRV 5 lug conv. just press the the old one's out and press the crv ones n, and in the front you can use the crv cali. and the rear try the itr's or even the prelude one's, I know the crv hubs will fit in the front, (same axle's) I don't know if any one tryed this **** before
10-06-2004, 11:54 PM
#21
Honda-Tech Member
Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: orlando, fl, usa
Posts: 784
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Re: (ej0513)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by ej0513 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
36mm is ONLY JDM ITR 5-lug.. everything else including our ITR is the same which i believe is 32mm..</TD></TR></TABLE>
JDM ITR, accord, prelude, CL and I belive TL
36mm is ONLY JDM ITR 5-lug.. everything else including our ITR is the same which i believe is 32mm..</TD></TR></TABLE>
JDM ITR, accord, prelude, CL and I belive TL
10-07-2004, 03:10 AM
#22
Honda-Tech Member
Join Date: Sep 2002
Location: hittin corners so hard you can taste my rims..
Posts: 5,415
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Re: (O3DigitalBath)
ok.. then to throw in another wrench in..
if you go out and buy ITR hubs, and rotors, will the clear the 92-95 EX/SI calipers?
if you go out and buy ITR hubs, and rotors, will the clear the 92-95 EX/SI calipers?
10-07-2004, 07:55 AM
#23
Honda-Tech Member
Join Date: Oct 2002
Location: Southern NJ, USA
Posts: 2,369
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Re: (Built B16A)
no, unless you got a a 94+ integra or ex/si sized rotor with 5 lug pattern
You wouldnt be getting any kind of brake upgrade tho with that
You wouldnt be getting any kind of brake upgrade tho with that
10-07-2004, 10:14 AM
#24
Honda-Tech Member
Join Date: Sep 2002
Location: hittin corners so hard you can taste my rims..
Posts: 5,415
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Re: (xerox445)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by xerox445 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">no, unless you got a a 94+ integra or ex/si sized rotor with 5 lug pattern</TD></TR></TABLE>
theordicly, if you take a bone stock 95 Si.. and order USDM ITR hubs and rotors, they will clear the EG calipers?
i understand pad coverage would still be the same, but you would be 5 lug.
theordicly, if you take a bone stock 95 Si.. and order USDM ITR hubs and rotors, they will clear the EG calipers?
i understand pad coverage would still be the same, but you would be 5 lug.
10-07-2004, 12:58 PM
#25
Go Tigers!
Thread Starter
Re: DIY 5lug conversion question. (thebense)
okay, so the CRV hub will work in the front, because the CRV uses the same axles. That would leave us with the rear in question. I dunno if there are any CRVs that aren't AWD that have all disc brakes. my GSR brakes don't have ABS. And i'm not sure if there are any ITRs without ABS, so i don't know if i could use the ITR rear hubs. perhaps maybe the prelude vtec rear hubs? can ABS hubs go in non abs steering knuckles?
