coupej1

i have a d16z6 in my 95 coupe now and was wondering if it would be worth the trouble to swap in a b18b? also would a b16 tranny benfit it?

96hb

Well it really depends on what you want to do with the car. The b18 will have more torque and a little bit more hp than the d16, but it will feel sluggish with the LS transmission. So definitely if you go LS, get the b16 tranny on there. I wouldn't bother swapping in the LS personally, unless you plan to run alot of boost, or do an LS/VTEC swap. If it was me, I would just boost the z6 and call it a day.

blk92_d16

Boost the Z6! Rods, Vitara pistons, OEM HG, ARPs, and stock head...boost 'er up!

crazyguy

here.check it out

https://honda-tech.com/zerothread/878010

coupej1

well the z6 is starting to use oil and i am looking for something with more power and not gonna cost me a whole lot

crazyguy

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by coupej1 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">well the z6 is starting to use oil and i am looking for something with more power and not gonna cost me a whole lot</TD></TR></TABLE>
no money spent= no power gained. for b18b u are talking about engine swap. and you are looking around$1500~$2000 for all the parts and labor.

coupej1

well i think i am going with the ls swap thanks

Jonknee

just throw in another z6 and boost it , instead of dropping in 2gs for the b18.

coupej1

i am not boosting ....both would be with intake,header,exhaust.

Jonknee

ok well then do a z6 use 1g to do a minor replacement of parts and replace the gaskets, valve seals, oil pump etc. and have a fresh reliable daily driver.

Kingkoopa20

Boost a b18

awdgsx96

What about B16? A little more HP and about the same torque. They can be found pretty cheap, if you can do the swap yourself, it could be worth it

nix94delsol

ok for like the 5th time the kid doesnt want to boost!

OP, LS are a dime a dozen, ive seen the entire swap done under less than a grand


Motor was 500
tranny was 300
mounts were 120 something
and it was put into a civic DX so there was barely any wiring needed

you can get the swap cheap

i plan on putting an h22a into my del sol in under less than 2700

(someone PLEASE tell me that h22 swap impossible for that cose, cause il prove you wrong)

95ProjectEJ1

iTrader: (5)

^^^ Seriously... the LS is cheap. I picked up a complete swap with a B16 trans for $800 so you can find them out there. You can also pick up a longblock from Hmotorsonline for 750+ shipping. I just picked one up and the motor was amazing. Pulled the head to replace all the gaskets and pumps and was very happy with it. It cost some money to replace the head gasket, oil pump, water pump timing belt etc, but I now have a motor with about 25-30k on it with all brand new OEM parts.

Ls trans is about 350
GSR trans is about 400-450
B16 trans is about 400-500

If you do alot of freeway driving you may want to get the LS trans. It has longer gears and will be comfortable at high speeds.

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 96hb &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Well it really depends on what you want to do with the car. The b18 will have more torque and a little bit more hp than the d16, but it will feel sluggish with the LS transmission. So definitely if you go LS, get the b16 tranny on there. I wouldn't bother swapping in the LS personally, unless you plan to run alot of boost, or do an LS/VTEC swap. If it was me, I would just boost the z6 and call it a day. </TD></TR></TABLE>

Yeah, because the S20 gears are so so so short right?

thisisntjared

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 96hb &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Well it really depends on what you want to do with the car. The b18 will have more torque and a little bit more hp than the d16, but it will feel sluggish with the LS transmission. So definitely if you go LS, get the b16 tranny on there. I wouldn't bother swapping in the LS personally, unless you plan to run alot of boost, or do an LS/VTEC swap. If it was me, I would just boost the z6 and call it a day. </TD></TR></TABLE>have you driven a plain old ls motor with a b16 tranny? i really wouldnt recommend it. also the ls tranny gear ratios are pretty close to the z6... food for thought.

the real gain of the b18 over the z6 is your low end pull. you will really like not having to downshift as often during daily driving.

Jonknee

like i said, and its gonan be the last time i say it, You seem to be on a budget, and if i were you i would save the money put into a b18 and rebuild a d16, you wont have to worry about any bullshit for a long time, with the ls you're probably gonna be at the edge of your budget and not gonna be able to rebuild **** for a while.

fitbmx86

my b18b with ls tranny cost me 1000 thats with some new parts in there. swap was easy as pie. and LS tranny def does not make the car feel sluggish. its still gonna be faster than a z6 either way

thisisntjared

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by fitbmx86 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">my b18b with ls tranny cost me 1000 thats with some new parts in there. swap was easy as pie. and LS tranny def does not make the car feel sluggish. its still gonna be faster than a z6 either way</TD></TR></TABLE>i sold a complete bone stock ls swap sans axles for 800 after i bought the totaled integra for 500. they are definitely affordable although not like the d. i disagree with the b18 being faster in all instances though, it may be faster with acceleration, however i prefer cutting down the weight, and it is possible to have a z6 that is faster around some tracks. of course this is with certain cars on certain tracks with certain drivers

Jonknee

well with bolt ons im running a 15.4 on my D. thats decent for daily driving and only costing 450.

GradyO206

The z6 and the y8 are the same right? Sorry this may be an old *** thread but i have a 97 ex with rod knock in the y8 so im planning to either b18b swap it or some people say just build the y8 songe my goal is only 500hp should i do your suggestion to his z6 motor?

Krauthammer

It would probably be a little simpler to just build it vs swapping it. but no, the Z6 and Y8 are not identical. Y8 has better bottom end vs Z6 having better top end. It has something to do with the ports.

TomCat39

You are a bit mistaken.

The Z6 bottom is far superior to the Y8 due to 2 oil ports while the Y8, Y7, B7, B8 all only have one oil port. The Z6 is much harder to spin bearings while the Y8 spins them regularly when built.

The Y8 had different volume runners on the intake manifold but an after market intake manifold will correct that.
The Y8 head I think does a bit more power over the Z6 head on a B7 block mini-me, it might flow a touch better or it has a better combustion chamber.
But really not sure if one head is better than the other overall.

Krauthammer

My apologies, I was only talking about the heads. However after re-reading, he said ROD KNOCK, not anything at all to do with the head. I am just speaking from my personal experience with both heads on my mini-me, using a B7 block.

But yes! you are correct the Z6 does have a much better block and bottom end internals. Thank you for correcting my F*** up

TomCat39

No no, yer good. I misunderstood what you meant by bottom end. I didn't realize you were talking power band.

But you are right, OP did mention rod knock so may have confused your meaning much like I did. Cheers.