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Old 05-07-2003, 02:41 PM
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Default d16z6 tranny vs. y8

is there any major differences, besides the the steel and aluminum pitch forks? (i believe) gearing maybe? or even different plugs? any info will be great

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slightly shorter gears on z6 i think...it was one of them that was shorter.
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the y8 tranny has a longer second gear so it gets better gas mileage on the freeway. the z6 is a lot more fun to drive.
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by JasonBlackEJ1 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">the y8 tranny has a longer second gear so it gets better gas mileage on the freeway. the z6 is a lot more fun to drive.</TD></TR></TABLE>

What the hell does that mean? A longer second gear gives better gas mileage on the freeway? Enlighten me, please. Why is the Z6 tranny more fun to drive? The difference between the second gear ratios is 1.909 and 1.900 if you ask me I doubt you'd hardly notice it.
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D16Z6 D16Y8
1st 3.250 3.250
2nd 1.900 1.909
3rd 1.250 1.250
4th 0.909 0.909
5th 0.702 0.702
Final 4.250 4.250


Y8 tranny is better, IMO. Steel shifter forks.
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longer 2nd gear for better mileage on highway? dunno but you, but i don't use 2nd much on the freeway
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the steel shift forks in the Y8 trannies bend/twist easy the Z6 trannies are stronger and have larger bearings

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by solo2slocivic &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">the steel shift forks in the Y8 trannies bend/twist easy </TD></TR></TABLE>
Not as easy as the aluminum shift forks in the pre 96 trannies.
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by solo2slocivic &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">the steel shift forks in the Y8 trannies bend/twist easy</TD></TR></TABLE>

what? someone confirm this. this sounds all WRONG. aluminum is weaker than steel.
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not to get to off topic, but has anyone used a phantom grip lsd in there d series? i hear they suck, but they do the job for the d series? any experiences with it or knowledge?
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take one apart and check out the webbing on the forks... havent had to re-build any trannies for bent forks in pre 96 cars but have re-built numurous 96+ trannies w/2nd and 5th gear forks bent...

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by solo2slocivic &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">take one apart and check out the webbing on the forks... havent had to re-build any trannies for bent forks in pre 96 cars but have re-built numurous 96+ trannies w/2nd and 5th gear forks bent...

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How is aluminum stronger than steel? I need a better explanation.
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by RyanCivic2000 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

How is aluminum stronger than steel? I need a better explanation.</TD></TR></TABLE>
do u have a personal problem or something? u go off on everyone and its startin to **** me off. ur a ******* smart ***. lighten up. its a simple question. i may be wrong about it but have u ever driven a d16z6/y8? how would u know the difference? the y8 cruises at 80 at about 2500 in 5 (in the car i drove it did anyways). i have a d16z6 and its alot more fun to drive i think than the y8. u need to settle the **** down. ok? its a website for people trying to learn about hondas. nobody knows everything...which it seems like u think u do. stop being such an ***, theres no reaston to be. try being more pleasent for once.
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by solo2slocivic &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">take one apart and check out the webbing on the forks... havent had to re-build any trannies for bent forks in pre 96 cars but have re-built numurous 96+ trannies w/2nd and 5th gear forks bent...

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I would like to hear more from you, sounds interesting and like you have experience with both. What is it about the 96+ forks that you say makes them twist easier, despite being made of concievably stronger material?
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by JasonBlackEJ1 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
do u have a personal problem or something? u go off on everyone and its startin to **** me off. ur a ******* smart ***. lighten up. its a simple question. i may be wrong about it but have u ever driven a d16z6/y8? how would u know the difference? the y8 cruises at 80 at about 2500 in 5 (in the car i drove it did anyways). i have a d16z6 and its alot more fun to drive i think than the y8. u need to settle the **** down. ok? its a website for people trying to learn about hondas. nobody knows everything...which it seems like u think u do. stop being such an ***, theres no reaston to be. try being more pleasent for once. </TD></TR></TABLE>

I would know the difference because I have driven both, and there is no noticable difference in gear ratios, that would be because there really isn't any difference. The only difference is second gear on a Y8 is 1.909 vs 1.900 on a Z6. I'm only asking that you back up your comment that the Z6 is more fun to drive. I want to know why.
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i dont know maybe it was just the diff in the two cars. one was a hatch and the other was mine. i like the z6 more, i dont know why; i just think its more fun to drive. maybe because i have one.
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Don't have any hard feelings man, I ask because, I want to hear facts not opinions. I hear to many people say "this is better than this," or "that's no good it has to be this way," and I never hear any reasons why, specs, facts, tests, whatever. It gets real confusing people going back and forth with their opinions.
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i sell bikes during the summer and it's very well known in the bike industry that a steel bike will ride softer (because it flexes a little)than an aluminum.
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by JMU1337 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">i sell bikes during the summer and it's very well known in the bike industry that a steel bike will ride softer (because it flexes a little)than an aluminum.</TD></TR></TABLE>

This is why aluminum breaks though, it is more brittle, no give. So which is more likely to occur, bending or breaking. I have heard of many shifter forks in the S20 tranny being broken, I have never heard of an S40 shifter fork bending however. Let's here some more info on this.
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by JasonBlackEJ1 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> the y8 cruises at 80 at about 2500 in 5 (in the car i drove it did anyways). </TD></TR></TABLE>
Could it be a tire size difference? I bet it could be.

I think RyanCivic2000 spends a little too much time on the dseries.org board....
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Eee Pee &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
I think RyanCivic2000 spends a little too much time on the dseries.org board....</TD></TR></TABLE>

to that.

Where is Bone's tranny page when I need it? I lost the link.
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Thanks Eee Pee.

Mista Bone mentions on here how weak the S20 shifter forks are, but no information on the S40.
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