Wildcatt88

Ok, I have been preping my engine (D16Z6 as stated) for a GReddy turbo kit. First I had to completely redo the head, which is already done. Now it needs to be bored and have new pistons added. THEN the turbo kit, intercooler, ttimer, boost controller, injectors, on and on.... Really adds up!!!

OR, I could swap out to an H22. For base hp numbers, the H22 would probably be higher than the boosted D. While I would have to buy the engine, the price would be less than half the blown D, and likely have more hp.

So tell me, wouldn't I be stupid not to go to the H22? And for those of you have swapped one, how difficult is it? I have a 94 Civic EX, 2Dr.

H22A EG6

well that is up to ya

i got a H22A in my hatch

my little bro is swapping a D15B in his hatch and we are gonna turbo it with in the next few months

so i dont know what to tell ya

Wildcatt88

More opinions?

Mrfirefox

to me it seems like a no-brainer H22 will yeild more power and probally and if the cost isn't that bad then go with that.

I'm just wondering why no B-series motors are in this, B18B, and B18C1 turbos are badass

SOHC_MShue

i would take a built turbo d series over an all motor h22. The D series is capable of more power when boosted than the all motor h22.

lohatch

also you do not HAVE to run a turbo timer and boost controller. there are ways to cut down on cost here and there in a setup. i would say rock the sohc.

skip.two

i'd go with the SOHC on this one.

kabaroo

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so would I, plus its lighter

Civic Hx-T

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Im with Shue. Your boosted D will walk all over a swapped H22. Do more research. There's a guy that just pulled close to three-hundred whp on the boards and he has a STOCK block.. 12 psi.

egcivic

im all for the d. I looked at everything, b series, h22's, and d series seemed to be the best bang for the buck, and the easiest for now.... i say go d-series turbo

JdmCIVIC853

iTrader: (1)

I'd say go for the sohc turbo...I've had an h22 hatch and it was funn but i think turbo sohc would be the best bang for the buck...My h22 had alot of axle probs but thats easy to fix with aftermarket axles, which i couldn't afford at the time

Wildcatt88

The B series motors are another $1-2K over the H series. Also, the H has more power and torque, starting from stock, than the B series. That's the reason I didn't mention them. (Been searching proces at HMO, totaljdm, passwordjdm, etc...)

I must say, I am really shocked at the number of people saying stay with the D. I was really expecting more, No Brainer comments, with swapping to the H.

Wildcatt88

Maybe I should also mention, the H22 will have similar or more power stock than the turbo D, for less money, but I could possibly boost it later.

Has anyone put a boosted H22 into a civic? Wondering if there are room issues in the engine bay, adding the turbo...

drewbie*

your h swap will cost you more than you think. h22 $2000 -better get lsd +$300-400 hasport mounts -$350 aftermarket axles (you will most likley brake the stock ones) - $400+ time and frustration - =x unless you know what your doing of course. dont go for the big kill if you are a virgin =D

Wildcatt88

Good point, this is my first Honda build up...

SOHC_MShue

the H swap would cost you the same if not more than a b series swap.

Civic Hx-T

Dude research turbo a bit more.

You probably have.. but put a bit more into it.

To say that the d16z6 + F/I = H22 is only correct if you haven't tuned right and B) You aren't boosting more than like seven psi.

Your setup sounds pretty good but i've seen less than what you have produce more on a SOHC motor.

Point two -- Go blow that h22, then go blow that d16.. see which one is harder and more expensive to replace.

Im always SOHC. =D

Wildcatt88

Just going by the base hp numbers, Honda says the D is 125hp. Greddy kit adds 50-60%, so let's say 185hp. Of course that's at the crank, and not whp.

Where do I pick up the extra power to go beyond the H, with a base of 200. I have heard it is hard to get the greddy turbo to do better than the 7psi. I will have new pistons, and a lower compression ratio, so I can use more boost if it is available.

Thank you all for your help and opinions. Maybe I need to start a thread on boost options...

skip.two

search your boost options. dont start a new thread. try the FI forum.

Tad

dude.. you'll make more power with the turbo setup,
especially if your going to build the motor,
you'll make WAY more power than an h22,

an h22 is going to put down around 170whp,
a built sohc turbo can make 200+ easy

I know more about the turbo setup than h22 swap, but from what I've read, isnt the h22 swap really expensive and difficult?
It aint no boltin b16

gothgar

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Wildcatt88 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Just going by the base hp numbers, Honda says the D is 125hp. Greddy kit adds 50-60%, so let's say 185hp. Of course that's at the crank, and not whp.

Where do I pick up the extra power to go beyond the H, with a base of 200. I have heard it is hard to get the greddy turbo to do better than the 7psi. I will have new pistons, and a lower compression ratio, so I can use more boost if it is available.

Thank you all for your help and opinions. Maybe I need to start a thread on boost options...</TD></TR></TABLE>


Good choice, and you can get much more out of it.

Civic Hx-T

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Wildcatt88 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Just going by the base hp numbers, Honda says the D is 125hp. Greddy kit adds 50-60%, so let's say 185hp. Of course that's at the crank, and not whp.

Where do I pick up the extra power to go beyond the H, with a base of 200. I have heard it is hard to get the greddy turbo to do better than the 7psi. I will have new pistons, and a lower compression ratio, so I can use more boost if it is available.

Thank you all for your help and opinions. Maybe I need to start a thread on boost options...</TD></TR></TABLE>

You pick up that horsepower when you let one of the guys at a professional shop beat your **** with a tuning stick.

Dude. Research. Im telling you.

You can use that Greddy kit and get other parts for it that'll make it do much better.

RESEARCH!!!

Wildcatt88

I'm searching I'm searching! Just not finding much on boosting this engine or hp gains.

Everyone wants to debate why use this and that motor, and swap to this motor, but not a whole lot on actual numbers...

Civic Hx-T

https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=823042

There's one for starters. Read that.

Who knows the name of the dude who had that 300+ whp SOHC motor with just ARP headstuds, greddy 2mm headgasket, VAFC.

Come on help this guy. I had the links on my old computer. &gt;.&lt; Im searching too!

EDIT!!! ------------
https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=431917

FOUND HIM!

Search for everything he's ever posted.. there's your diagram to SOHC success.

Im telling you. Boost it. You won't regret it dude.

NonovUrbizniz

No numbers to help you with but...

https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=267641

That's a guy selling a cheap rod/piston combo that supports 18psi on an otherwise stock sohc...

Talk to him or other people who got that package... i'm sure they're all making decent power...

I'd prefer the h22 although I'd be more likely to do the d-turbo... I'm probobly going to turbo mine this summer...