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Old 08-08-2011, 07:50 AM
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whatsup gentlemen!

so basically i just finished installing a competition clutch, rear main, new starter, and new motor mounts,oh & ac delete. in the process i removed the distributor for easy access to the transmission, and once the transmission was back up put the dizzy back on (the firing order is correct i marked the plug wires). but now what im getting is the car cranks "a bit different than before" i think just the new starter but the engine will give what seems to be a hard rotation and im getting a pulsation of some sort in 1 second intervals. it sounds like its from the engine bay.

-i checked the plugs for spark and yes they are sparking...but its a very orange, dim spark. i also smelled the gas and some came out of the cylinder with the plug removed so i assume the pump is going strong.

could the dim spark result in the car not firing off? im losing my mind here! please help
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Did you do a compression test?
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Did you do a compression test?
i did one about 2 thousand miles back and all was good. before i put the car down to do what i did this time it was running just fine... i didnt mess with the head or anything of the sort so i doubt having it sit for a week while i pulled the tranny could have put the compression at fault
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Weak spark is generally the sign of a bad coil. Charge your battery, and resistance test the coil (see FAQs sticky).
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Originally Posted by RonJ@HT
Weak spark is generally the sign of a bad coil. Charge your battery, and resistance test the coil (see FAQs sticky).
the current battery is no more than 2 months old and is putting out sufficient power. and im actually going to swap to an external blaster coil tomorrow and ill try it again. thanks man
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and im actually going to swap to an external blaster coil tomorrow
Do yourself a favor and stick with the OEM coil (but test before you replace).
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Do yourself a favor and stick with the OEM coil (but test before you replace).
ill give oem a shot again then man thanks lol

but my only thing is how did the cars sitting for a couple of weeks while i replaced a few things result in this extra push for the car to not fire off... ill test the coil tomorrow man thanks for the help
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gx2eB6lSV8s

link of it cranking
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but my only thing is how did the cars sitting for a couple of weeks while i replaced a few things result in this extra push for the car to not fire off... ill test the coil tomorrow man thanks for the help
The most common way that people blow the coil is to crank the engine with one or more plug wires disconnected. Otherwise, coils just get old and die, like people.
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I had this problem before. It's due to a weak distributor and/or spark plug wires going bust. I replaced both for around $30 each (Ebay parts) and the problem went away.
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so update...i went ahead and wired up the msd ss blaster and im getting a solid blue spark (did everything correctly) and still got the friggen cranking...i dk if when i pulled the dizzy off originally i threw the timing out, its not like i could put the keyways in upside down the are sized to go in a strategic way. or just maybe its not getting enough fuel...any other ideas, im all ears! thanks
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Go back to the stock coil. Spark should be bright white not solid blue. You spark is too weak.
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i was under the impression blue was a good spark? like enough to get the car to run efficiently.
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i was under the impression blue was a good spark? like enough to get the car to run efficiently.
It's a common misconception. Spark should be bright white with only a faint hint of blue color, which is generally only visible in the dark.
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i have learned something today thanks! lol but till tomorrow i know im getting a better spark than before, but i cant figure the lack of combustion going on...the only other thing i could think was the timing must be out.
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so check it, i went out in the garage today after picking up a multi-meter to check everything out, and for ***** and giggle i tried tarting it and it actually fired off one or two cylinders and died...wtf...so what im getting to now is i think it might be the injectors because they do have over 220,000 miles. so i guess ill be putting on the 440 injectors before i was planning just to give it a shot, then new timing belt and check the tension and tdc. any other suggestions or possibles now is the time, thanks.
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well i got the car running today after changing the timing belt and getting it perfectly on tdc... i tension-ed the belt too tight the first time and it fired up after a few cranks, the starter started to speed up and it fired up...ran it for about a minute and tried starting it again and it fired back up faster this time. tension-ed the belt and its doing its same week *** cranking thing, and not starting! im stumped, someone a little input would be greatly appreciated. thanks
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You can replace the timing belt and any other parts on every weekend for the next decade, but it will have zero effect unless you address the weak spark issue.
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check your t-belt mark again and see if it jumped or move a few teeth the tensionor could be weakand need to be replaceed
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220,000 is alot of miles listen to the engine in the video it hitting <firing >in that it a timing prob not spark white ,blue ,yellow or any other color out of the crayon box
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if it not doing at the right time it not going to run
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Originally Posted by RonJ@HT
You can replace the timing belt and any other parts on every weekend for the next decade, but it will have zero effect unless you address the weak spark issue.
yea i just went out and checked for a spark and its not sparking at all now... nonetheless ill see if im getting any power from the coil, if not ill have to check the cap and maybe my solders. thanks ron!
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If the distributor gets battery voltage, focus on the coil and ICM.
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Originally Posted by RonJ@HT
If the distributor gets battery voltage, focus on the coil and ICM.
i tested the coils primary and secondary resistance and its is okay. how would i go about test for power to the distributor?


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