EGCIVICKING95

Hey Honda Tech,

I recently bought a 4 dr EG civic LX with a full d16Z6 SOHC VTEC swap in it. There are a couple little things i gotta fix with her that the pervious owner failed to do when doin the swap, which is not a problem. My problem lies in the fact that i know a bone stock D16Z6 wont keep me happy for long, as i can nvr leave things the way they came. Ive thought bout doin a D16 turbo build with the basic bolts ons, but recently ive been bitten by the B-Series bug. Now im also lookin into swappin in either a B18C Type R motor, or the B18C1 GSR motor. Just want some opinions on which would be a better route? I want the most bang for my buck, realistically id be happy with 225-250 WHP 300 would be even better. The car will be my DD, with some occassional track use. Which would you chose D16 Turbo, Type R, Or GSR??


P.S. these are the specific b-series kits ive had my eye on.

GSR complete change over:
http://www.hmotorsonline.com/shop/sc...age&item=30009

Type R complete change over:
http://www.hmotorsonline.com/shop/sc...age&item=30011

CivicBlacksheep

My vote is type R.....over all better quality...but u will hate the short gearing for high way driving

EGCIVICKING95

I dont do much highway driving so it shouldnt be too much of a bother, stop and go city driving is more my concern. Would the Type R's short gears be an issue for that??

Linked

everyone will probably say the same thing but:

-since you already have the z6, turboing it will yield the same power as a high end stock B for a lower price
- if the motor has an unknown or and or very high mileage that will require work, and your time constricted and dont care about the money, a GSR is probably good

EGCIVICKING95

well the odometer says the car has 175xxx miles on it, but i have no idea the actual mileage on the swapped motor and trans. With work and college starting soon & a 5 month old to take care of, time is a bit of an issue but money isnt really cuz i planned on usin my income tax returns to get my parts. I have a 2nd car i can use should the civic have to go down for a lil bit. Like i said i just really want the best bang for my buck.

If the turbod D16 makes the same power as a stock b, should i just try and source a low mileage d16 & build up from there?? Any ideas where i could find one?

Hidenplanvew

vitara pistons and FJ rods,you could make like 450 or more.. I had vitara with eagles which made 440 that was with like 7.5 or 8 to one compression.


So a gsr swap is what 1200 to 1500 for a compleat swap... to build your Z6 your talking 500, not including the turbo kit on both

EGCIVICKING95

Wow thats even more power then i had planned for, but if that is WHP ill take it. Most civics around where i live from 1990s up to the early 2000's are junk, so i just wanna do mine up right both with looks and power.

A complete GSR swap for $1200-$1500 plz tell me where?? The links i posted earlier the GSR swap is $3K, the Type R is even more.

As far as buildin a turbod D16, What internals should i use for the top & bottom ends? Any reccommeded turbo kits??

sdobson910

I would get an LS and boost it. You can find a complete swap cheap or just the motor and throw on a GSR tranny. You could get the motor trans and turbo kit (used) and be around the price of the GSR swap and definitely under the ITR swap.

D3vin

Turbo the dirty D!

project91crxsi

save your money and time, boost the z6 in it and make more power than you would dumping $3k in a motor swap and spank swapped cars with your single cam all day

EGCIVICKING95

I actually just got done readin a 20 page thread bout a Turbod D-series build. It deff has me convinced on keepin the D16. I nvr knew they had so much potential. Everyone i kno talks bout B & K series swaps, but after what i just read, if i take my time and build it right like i plan to i will decimate just bout all hondas in my area. Thanks for all opinions.

Now can anyone point a noob in a good direction to find quality internal parts for the head and bottom end??

Chak

Stop, nothings worse than someone who has the worst estimates on cost. I dont know where you are finding these prices or how your mind even came to the conclusion that building any kind of motor for 500 dollars with decent internals is possible.

boostedef123

You could get maybe rods for that price. Or pistons lol. 800 for eagle rods and weisco pistons.

4skinGsr

GSR....OR ANY B SERIES

EGCIVICKING95

I did find those estimates a lil hard to believe. I maybe new here but like you said finding "decent internals" that cheap isnt something ive seen in my searches so far.

EGCIVICKING95

after i hit google up for some tips on turboing the D16, it lead me to this parts list that a guy posted up on hondaswap.com, that he was gonna use but then decided to sell his car.
Would this be a decent set up? Any reccommendations on things i should add or switch out for better parts??



-Vitara Pistons 8.5:1 Compression Ratio. 75mm bore
-Eagle Rods
-New main bearing
-ZEX 59300 cam
-Crower Valvetrain
-Walbro 255 Fuel Pump
-Skunk2 Intake Manifold
-70MM Throttle Body
-T3/T04e 57 trim .63
-3" Exhaust
-SSAC Turbo Manifold and Downpipe
-DSM 450 Injectors
-Hondata
-ACT Clutch

Crashtestdummy

turbo gsr

crisdawg

Whatever you go with go with Turbo, I came from an Evo and I don't think I could go to NA haha. Each their own of course.

EGCIVICKING95

Like stated earlier im gonna stay with the D16 & boost it. Ive always had N/A cars A 92 accord, a BMW 325Is, mazda 6s, currently my eclipse and my civic. i think its bout time for me to turbo something. I was gonna boost the eclipse but then i had my son, plus for the money & time it woulda took just didnt seem worth it. (a) its a heavy car (b) the overall numbers werent too impressive. After that 20 pg thread on a turbo D16, i found a whole new respect for the D-series in general for their major potential. once again thank for all opinions.

project91crxsi

That sounds like a pretty decent parts list and would handle alot of boost and make pretty good numbers

EGCIVICKING95

From what ive read around the forum, some of these parts come highly reccommened like the Vitara Pistons and the Hondata ECU, parts like the Skunk2 manifold & ACT clutch i know are good parts from personal experience but,

Which hondata ECU should i run?
Ive nvr hear of that cam, is it good? Should i get a better one??
Is there any particular brand of 3" exhaust i should run? Keep in mind, i dont want that typical honda fart can sound!!
Ive read that 450cc injectors struggle to make even 300hp, would i be better off with bigger ones?
Is there a specific brand of main bearings i should use? I kno reusin the stockies is a BAD idea.
Ive heard WAY too many horror stories bout EBAY turbos, any recommendations on a good T3/T04e 57 trim .63 that wont kill my pocket??
Are the SSAC Turbo mani and down pipe any good or should those be replaced as well? If so with what?
Besides the parts listed are there any other parts i need to know bout besides turbo basics like a BOV, Intercooler, & Piping??

I kno these are probably a ton of noob questions that have been answered a thousand times, but considerin i am just that, A NOOB, especially in the world of FI, all help and suggetions are greatly apperciated.

Failsafe88

Turbo the d or else hell just buy one already built for about 500 600 i saw one few months back for sale on craigslist near me for sale for bout 400. Then you dont have to worry to much about time and you can keep that d series and build it how you want it if need be or you could just go straight to building and turboing the d you have.

93gsrhatch_1

i have the b18c(with i/h/e) in my eg and my homeboy has a turbo'd D in his eg and when we ran them he would pull after about 100 but he was only running 7 psi but still a fast car and the turbo sound is always nice IMO but i think that d series builds are always interesting being that i have built some in the past with good results i think u should go for quality and reliability and think what best suits your driving... g/l with ur build

Failsafe88

Very well put

93gsrhatch_1

thank you