Civicse

anyone have any good experience with these? i've heard there turbo cams r reallly rough and lumpy at idle. i'm looking into buy a sohc cam in the future, just wondering if these r worth getting, or if n e one has any better suggestions, for a daily driver.

blackeg

if you are not going to boost, then dont bother with turbo cams.


i am going to recommend crower stage 2's or zex stage 2 cam. i have seen some decent setups with the skunk 2 cam, but its well overpriced if you ask me( damn thing cost me 400 for the cam and 260 for the valvesprings)

Civicse

oh ya i no. skunk2 valve springs r like 280 or something where as crower r like 130 i think, and just as good from what i hear,
and i'm not asking bout the turbo's i'm asking about the stage 2's, i've hear some bad about the turbo';s and i was just wondering if that goes as well with the stage 2's. and stage 2's require upgraded springs and retainer's right?

blackeg

springs are a must, retainers are good. i was planning on using stock retainers with that skunk2 cam and revving to 7600-7800 max.

builthatch has/had a higher compression y8 motor with crower st 2's and made in the 160 hp range( i forget the exact #)

jlacoy82

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by blackeg &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">springs are a must, retainers are good. i was planning on using stock retainers with that skunk2 cam and revving to 7600-7800 max.

builthatch has/had a higher compression y8 motor with crower st 2's and made in the 160 hp range( i forget the exact #)</TD></TR></TABLE>

Hes running 12ish CR and Crower Stage 3.

blackeg

thanks for correcting me, ive been out of the n/a d series loop for a lil while now

civic-4-ges

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by jlacoy82 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

Hes running 12ish CR and Crower Stage 3.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Correct he IS running this now, but used to urn the crower stage 2

the 160WHP was hit with race gas and the stage 2 cam

stage 3 cam with PowerFC and SMSP header ran in the 160WHP range running pump gas

builthatch

civic-4-ges is ******* rad, let's get that out in the open first and foremost.

anyway, i ran the crower 2- its awesome.
-It does need tuning.
-The idle is nice.
-You dont need springs or retainers with it (brian crower says this himself, email him @ brian@crower.com), since the lift is not insane and you will find you won't be making power at an rpm level much higher than stock...most likely power will top out @ approx. 7k on a well-tuned setup.

I did make almost 160 whp with that cam, but...that was with an extremely aggressive tune on c12.

On pump gas, it made most likely 140+ whp.

shocker

So you won't need springs or retainers with this cam in a z6?

.BigSexy

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stage 1 no, but stage 2 is recommended I think

HondaNerd

Stage 2 --pricing wise.. is a little too high..

builthatch

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by HondaNerd &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Stage 2 --pricing wise.. is a little too high.. </TD></TR></TABLE>it makes the best power and it's pricing is great compared to the competition (skunk, zex), and it's not a regrind either like JG, Gude, Web, Exospeed, etc...

Superdragr45

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by builthatch &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">civic-4-ges is ******* rad, let's get that out in the open first and foremost.

anyway, i ran the crower 2- its awesome.
-It does need tuning.
-The idle is nice.
-You dont need springs or retainers with it (brian crower says this himself, email him @ brian@crower.com), since the lift is not insane and you will find you won't be making power at an rpm level much higher than stock...most likely power will top out @ approx. 7k on a well-tuned setup.

I did make almost 160 whp with that cam, but...that was with an extremely aggressive tune on c12.

On pump gas, it made most likely 140+ whp.</TD></TR></TABLE>

my main question to u, builthatch, is if this car is driven on the street daily?? not to threadjack, but, im interested in going Crower S2 on my y8, but, i drive my car daily and am planning to run it off a chipped p28...............let us kno if its good enough for daily driving.......

builthatch

i ran stage 2 with virgin p30, then virgin p28 for some time before i ran the PFC. it drove/ idled perfectly, however, it needs a little higher idle that usual, and you will need some tuning, atleast a vafc/ afc to get it the fuel it needs.

i would refrain from just relying on the chipped ecu and use some sort of wideband or dyno to fine-tune it.

it's the perfect blend of street/strip.

the car has always been street driven on pump gas, just not daily....not because of the cam setup at any given time or its condition, but simply because i dont drive it that much.