Civic Peeling Paint - Do All The Colors Do This?
09-13-2007, 07:19 AM
#1
Honda-Tech Member
Thread Starter
iTrader: (1)
Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: Philadelphia, PA, USA
Posts: 137
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Civic Peeling Paint - Do All The Colors Do This?
I've got the Dark Amethyst Pearl and it's peeled off in large spots. 
Do all the Civic paint colors peel? Not just the clear coat... Everything all the way down to the gray primer underneath? I've seen other Dark Amethyst Civics do this as well, but I've never seen it on the other colors.
I've seen clear coat problems on all the colors, but I'm talking about <U>everything</U> coming off, not just the clear.
LGWild
Do all the Civic paint colors peel? Not just the clear coat... Everything all the way down to the gray primer underneath? I've seen other Dark Amethyst Civics do this as well, but I've never seen it on the other colors.
I've seen clear coat problems on all the colors, but I'm talking about <U>everything</U> coming off, not just the clear.
LGWild
09-13-2007, 07:27 AM
#2
Honda-Tech Member
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Rochester, NY
Posts: 348
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Re: Civic Peeling Paint - Do All The Colors Do This? (Long Grain Wild)
I honestly think cars in blue paint tend to peel much more than any other color. All chrysler blue paints peel right down to the primer on the roof, hood, trunk, then a chunk will flake off the sides and it just keeps growing 
09-13-2007, 07:31 AM
#3
Honda-Tech Member
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: Nah man, Yemen
Posts: 4,197
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Re: Civic Peeling Paint - Do All The Colors Do This? (CBL9)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by CBL9 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I honestly think cars in blue paint tend to peel much more than any other color. All chrysler blue paints peel right down to the primer on the roof, hood, trunk, then a chunk will flake off the sides and it just keeps growing </TD></TR></TABLE>
That's because it's a chrysler
OP, was your car ever repainted? Some OEM colors FADE faster than others, but I've never heard of any peeling like that..
</TD></TR></TABLE>That's because it's a chrysler
OP, was your car ever repainted? Some OEM colors FADE faster than others, but I've never heard of any peeling like that..
09-13-2007, 07:42 AM
#4
Honda-Tech Member
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Rochester, NY
Posts: 348
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Re: Civic Peeling Paint - Do All The Colors Do This? (SoCal EJ1)
1994 Grand Caravan LE - bought new never repainted
2000 Grand Cherokee Limited - bought new never repainted
both roofs started peeling around 5 years, never will buy a blue car again, i swear all blue cars do it, its weird, real weird
2000 Grand Cherokee Limited - bought new never repainted
both roofs started peeling around 5 years, never will buy a blue car again, i swear all blue cars do it, its weird, real weird
09-13-2007, 07:47 AM
#5
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Sarnia, Ontario, Canada
Posts: 35
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
The paint peeling off of Chrylsers is because they used a water-based paint in order to lower emissions during production of the vehicles (for certain years). This paint doesn't bond properly to the primer they used, and therefore you get a crapload of peeling paint.
09-13-2007, 08:11 AM
#7
Honda-Tech Member
Thread Starter
iTrader: (1)
Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: Philadelphia, PA, USA
Posts: 137
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Re: Civic Peeling Paint - Do All The Colors Do This? (EE_Chris)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by EE_Chris »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">My 99 hatch was doing this alooong time ago. It's amethyst also.</TD></TR></TABLE>
All the way down to the primer, not just the clear, right?
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by CBL9 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">both roofs started peeling around 5 years, never will buy a blue car again</TD></TR></TABLE>
Why didn't you warn me before I bought this one?????
All the way down to the primer, not just the clear, right?
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by CBL9 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">both roofs started peeling around 5 years, never will buy a blue car again</TD></TR></TABLE>
Why didn't you warn me before I bought this one?????
Trending Topics
09-13-2007, 10:41 AM
#8
H-T White Ops
Re: Civic Peeling Paint - Do All The Colors Do This? (SoCal EJ1)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by SoCal EJ1 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">OP, was your car ever repainted? Some OEM colors FADE faster than others, but I've never heard of any peeling like that..</TD></TR></TABLE>
No modern OEM color fades faster than another. Modern automotive paint is clearcoat. Clearcoat does not fade like conventional paints do. All you're seeing is oxidation, which can be buffed off. Oxidation is a blueish white color, thus red cars are more likley to suffer from "fading", as are any dark colored car.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by CBL9 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">1994 Grand Caravan LE - bought new never repainted
2000 Grand Cherokee Limited - bought new never repainted
both roofs started peeling around 5 years, never will buy a blue car again, i swear all blue cars do it, its weird, real weird
</TD></TR></TABLE>
Stop buying Chryslers, not blue cars.
I've seen the same issue in a DAP hatch before (1999). It could have been that there was a mistake in the paint process. What years were the other DAP hatches that this happened to?
No modern OEM color fades faster than another. Modern automotive paint is clearcoat. Clearcoat does not fade like conventional paints do. All you're seeing is oxidation, which can be buffed off. Oxidation is a blueish white color, thus red cars are more likley to suffer from "fading", as are any dark colored car.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by CBL9 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">1994 Grand Caravan LE - bought new never repainted
2000 Grand Cherokee Limited - bought new never repainted
both roofs started peeling around 5 years, never will buy a blue car again, i swear all blue cars do it, its weird, real weird
</TD></TR></TABLE>
Stop buying Chryslers, not blue cars.
I've seen the same issue in a DAP hatch before (1999). It could have been that there was a mistake in the paint process. What years were the other DAP hatches that this happened to?
09-13-2007, 11:29 AM
#10
Honda-Tech Member
Join Date: Sep 2002
Location: Mesa, Arizona, USA
Posts: 294
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
My wife's car (99 civic EX hatch) was completely flaking off around most of the edging along the upper parts (Roof, windows). (I say was, as she was the middle car in a 5 car pileup a couple weeks ago, hatch got crunched. Front bumper, meet mr. Engine block. Rear bumper, meet mr. back seat)
She said it was purple, and I guess it was, but it looked mostly blue to me.
John
She said it was purple, and I guess it was, but it looked mostly blue to me.
John
09-13-2007, 11:32 AM
#11
H-T White Ops
Re: (Aodhan)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Aodhan »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">My wife's car (99 civic EX hatch) was completely flaking off around most of the edging along the upper parts (Roof, windows). (I say was, as she was the middle car in a 5 car pileup a couple weeks ago, hatch got crunched. Front bumper, meet mr. Engine block. Rear bumper, meet mr. back seat)
John</TD></TR></TABLE>
Your wife did not drive a '99 Civic EX hatchback. There is no such thing. It's either a CX or DX.
John</TD></TR></TABLE>
Your wife did not drive a '99 Civic EX hatchback. There is no such thing. It's either a CX or DX.
09-13-2007, 11:42 AM
#12
Honda-Tech Member
Join Date: Feb 2006
Posts: 229
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Re: (NOFX)
i have a question just 2 interupt for a second, so does this mean that the EBP paint that the 99-00 SI's wer painted with fade quicker than other colors? and would the OEM white paint fade less quickly due 2 the fact that it is a lighter color?
09-13-2007, 11:46 AM
#13
H-T White Ops
Re: (JDean6pac)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by JDean6pac »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">i have a question just 2 interupt for a second, so does this mean that the EBP paint that the 99-00 SI's wer painted with fade quicker than other colors? and would the OEM white paint fade less quickly due 2 the fact that it is a lighter color?</TD></TR></TABLE>
NO.
Re-read my post. Color that suffer from more blatant OXIDATION than others (These paints DO NOT fade because all '96-'00 Civics were painted with a clearcoat):
- Dark colors
- Colors that are the opposite of blue - i.e., orange, red, etc.
So EBP and white would actually not look like it's in bad condition until it's farther gone than any red paint with oxidation. EBP just is not that dark of a color, plus it's blue. It could look a little pale, and eventually chalky because of oxidation (just like ANY other color).
OXIDATION IS WHITE WITH A BLUE TINT.
NO.
Re-read my post. Color that suffer from more blatant OXIDATION than others (These paints DO NOT fade because all '96-'00 Civics were painted with a clearcoat):
- Dark colors
- Colors that are the opposite of blue - i.e., orange, red, etc.
So EBP and white would actually not look like it's in bad condition until it's farther gone than any red paint with oxidation. EBP just is not that dark of a color, plus it's blue. It could look a little pale, and eventually chalky because of oxidation (just like ANY other color).
OXIDATION IS WHITE WITH A BLUE TINT.
09-13-2007, 11:54 AM
#14
Ek Forever y0!
Join Date: May 2005
Location: Beating people with a stick, GA
Posts: 16,712
Likes: 0
Received 6 Likes
on
6 Posts
Re: (NOFX)
Bottom line, wash and wax your car regularly and oem paint will last longer than you need it too.
Oh, and don't leave it in 120 degree temps.
Oh, and don't leave it in 120 degree temps.
09-13-2007, 04:12 PM
#16
H-T White Ops
Re: (Aodhan)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Aodhan »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Well excuse the f*"" out of me for a typo. DX.</TD></TR></TABLE>
You don't have to cry about it. All I did was correct you. I didn't call you a name or anything.
You don't have to cry about it. All I did was correct you. I didn't call you a name or anything.
09-13-2007, 05:31 PM
#17
Honda-Tech Member
Join Date: Sep 2002
Location: Mesa, Arizona, USA
Posts: 294
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Re: (NOFX)
Just get tired of **** retentive gotta correct everything everyone says people on message board anymore. Sorry, having a REALLY bad day...
09-13-2007, 05:35 PM
#18
Honda-Tech Member
Thread Starter
iTrader: (1)
Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: Philadelphia, PA, USA
Posts: 137
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Re: Civic Peeling Paint - Do All The Colors Do This? (NOFX)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by NOFX »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I've seen the same issue in a DAP hatch before (1999). It could have been that there was a mistake in the paint process. What years were the other DAP hatches that this happened to?</TD></TR></TABLE>
Mine's a 99 DAP hatch and I've seen other DAP hatches with the same problem but I don't know what years they were. It's obvious that there was a problem on the production line, either with the paint or with either materials or application. Gas filler door, roof, spoiler above hatch window, etc...
Just so everyone understands, I'm not talking about oxidation of the clear coat. That happens to cars of all colors from all makes under certain circumstances. I'm talking about the <U>color</U> layer completely leaving the car and taking the clear coat off with it. Leaves behind a gray colored strip-mined looking section of primer behind.
Oxidation of the clearcoat can be repaired by buffing. What I'm talking about cannot be repaired without adding new paint.
I guess my big question is... Does this happen to all the other colors as well or just the Dark Amethyst Pearl? I've never seen it on any other colors. Anyone else?
Mine's a 99 DAP hatch and I've seen other DAP hatches with the same problem but I don't know what years they were. It's obvious that there was a problem on the production line, either with the paint or with either materials or application. Gas filler door, roof, spoiler above hatch window, etc...
Just so everyone understands, I'm not talking about oxidation of the clear coat. That happens to cars of all colors from all makes under certain circumstances. I'm talking about the <U>color</U> layer completely leaving the car and taking the clear coat off with it. Leaves behind a gray colored strip-mined looking section of primer behind.
Oxidation of the clearcoat can be repaired by buffing. What I'm talking about cannot be repaired without adding new paint.
I guess my big question is... Does this happen to all the other colors as well or just the Dark Amethyst Pearl? I've never seen it on any other colors. Anyone else?
09-13-2007, 05:46 PM
#19
Ek Forever y0!
Join Date: May 2005
Location: Beating people with a stick, GA
Posts: 16,712
Likes: 0
Received 6 Likes
on
6 Posts
Re: (Aodhan)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Aodhan »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Just get tired of **** retentive gotta correct everything everyone says people on message board anymore. Sorry, having a REALLY bad day...</TD></TR></TABLE>
She wasn't being **** retentive. She was just correcting you for the archives sake. We don't want some noob finding this thread a few months from now and have him/her ask us about ex hatches.
She wasn't being **** retentive. She was just correcting you for the archives sake. We don't want some noob finding this thread a few months from now and have him/her ask us about ex hatches.
09-13-2007, 05:57 PM
#20
H-T White Ops
Re: (Aodhan)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Aodhan »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Just get tired of **** retentive gotta correct everything everyone says people on message board anymore. Sorry, having a REALLY bad day...</TD></TR></TABLE>
Np. Just want to keep things clear.
I've actually been interested in building an EX hatch for awhile and it's going to be a decent amount of work. Cruise control, moonroof, power doors, etc. If we're lucky enough to find a DX hatch to our liking, we might be able to grab one with both power steering and air conditioning (options for the DX).
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Long Grain Wild »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Mine's a 99 DAP hatch and I've seen other DAP hatches with the same problem but I don't know what years they were. It's obvious that there was a problem on the production line, either with the paint or with either materials or application. Gas filler door, roof, spoiler above hatch window, etc...
Just so everyone understands, I'm not talking about oxidation of the clear coat. That happens to cars of all colors from all makes under certain circumstances. I'm talking about the <U>color</U> layer completely leaving the car and taking the clear coat off with it. Leaves behind a gray colored strip-mined looking section of primer behind.
Oxidation of the clearcoat can be repaired by buffing. What I'm talking about cannot be repaired without adding new paint.
I guess my big question is... Does this happen to all the other colors as well or just the Dark Amethyst Pearl? I've never seen it on any other colors. Anyone else?</TD></TR></TABLE>
You might want to start watching for the years now...
So far it seems your '99 DAP hatch, EE_Chris's '99 DAP hatch and the '99 DAP hatch I saw were all ones with paint problems. So far no '97-'98 cars were mentioned having paint issues. '97-'99 were the only years that the DAP hatch was made in the US.
I've never seen this issue on other paint colors or other years of this same color.
So I'm starting to wonder if there was a flaw in the paint process for 1999 Dark Amethyst Pearl. It seems it's not for all DAP hatches, but maybe just 1999.
Good news for anyone with any other year DAP or any other color car, but bad news for the people who own '99 DAP hatches.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by ek forever guy »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">She wasn't being **** retentive. She was just correcting you for the archives sake. We don't want some noob finding this thread a few months from now and have him/her ask us about ex hatches.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Yeah, I'm not **** retentive at all.
Btw, you better look at that link I sent you. Tell me what you think. Don't worry, it'll be painted before I use it.
Np. Just want to keep things clear.
I've actually been interested in building an EX hatch for awhile and it's going to be a decent amount of work. Cruise control, moonroof, power doors, etc. If we're lucky enough to find a DX hatch to our liking, we might be able to grab one with both power steering and air conditioning (options for the DX).
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Long Grain Wild »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Mine's a 99 DAP hatch and I've seen other DAP hatches with the same problem but I don't know what years they were. It's obvious that there was a problem on the production line, either with the paint or with either materials or application. Gas filler door, roof, spoiler above hatch window, etc...
Just so everyone understands, I'm not talking about oxidation of the clear coat. That happens to cars of all colors from all makes under certain circumstances. I'm talking about the <U>color</U> layer completely leaving the car and taking the clear coat off with it. Leaves behind a gray colored strip-mined looking section of primer behind.
Oxidation of the clearcoat can be repaired by buffing. What I'm talking about cannot be repaired without adding new paint.
I guess my big question is... Does this happen to all the other colors as well or just the Dark Amethyst Pearl? I've never seen it on any other colors. Anyone else?</TD></TR></TABLE>
You might want to start watching for the years now...
So far it seems your '99 DAP hatch, EE_Chris's '99 DAP hatch and the '99 DAP hatch I saw were all ones with paint problems. So far no '97-'98 cars were mentioned having paint issues. '97-'99 were the only years that the DAP hatch was made in the US.
I've never seen this issue on other paint colors or other years of this same color.
So I'm starting to wonder if there was a flaw in the paint process for 1999 Dark Amethyst Pearl. It seems it's not for all DAP hatches, but maybe just 1999.
Good news for anyone with any other year DAP or any other color car, but bad news for the people who own '99 DAP hatches.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by ek forever guy »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">She wasn't being **** retentive. She was just correcting you for the archives sake. We don't want some noob finding this thread a few months from now and have him/her ask us about ex hatches.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Yeah, I'm not **** retentive at all.
Btw, you better look at that link I sent you. Tell me what you think. Don't worry, it'll be painted before I use it.
09-13-2007, 06:03 PM
#21
Ek Forever y0!
Join Date: May 2005
Location: Beating people with a stick, GA
Posts: 16,712
Likes: 0
Received 6 Likes
on
6 Posts
Re: (NOFX)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by NOFX »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Btw, you better look at that link I sent you. Tell me what you think. Don't worry, it'll be painted before I use it.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Lip is BALLIN
Lip is BALLIN
09-13-2007, 06:14 PM
#23
Honda-Tech Member
Thread Starter
iTrader: (1)
Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: Philadelphia, PA, USA
Posts: 137
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Re: (NOFX)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by NOFX »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
You might want to start watching for the years now...
So far it seems your '99 DAP hatch, EE_Chris's '99 DAP hatch and the '99 DAP hatch I saw were all ones with paint problems. So far no '97-'98 cars were mentioned having paint issues. '97-'99 were the only years that the DAP hatch was made in the US.
I've never seen this issue on other paint colors or other years of this same color.
So I'm starting to wonder if there was a flaw in the paint process for 1999 Dark Amethyst Pearl. It seems it's not for all DAP hatches, but maybe just 1999.
Good news for anyone with any other year DAP or any other color car, but bad news for the people who own '99 DAP hatches. </TD></TR></TABLE>
Yeah, that's what I was afraid of..... I'm just lucky, I guess. I'll watch the years of the other DAP hatches I see with the problem, but the bottom line for me is that I'm scrooed.
So.... Anyone want to trade a 96-98 hatch for my 99 DAP hatch with the strip mining? Mine's a 5 speed with air and P/S. HAHA!!
You might want to start watching for the years now...
So far it seems your '99 DAP hatch, EE_Chris's '99 DAP hatch and the '99 DAP hatch I saw were all ones with paint problems. So far no '97-'98 cars were mentioned having paint issues. '97-'99 were the only years that the DAP hatch was made in the US.
I've never seen this issue on other paint colors or other years of this same color.
So I'm starting to wonder if there was a flaw in the paint process for 1999 Dark Amethyst Pearl. It seems it's not for all DAP hatches, but maybe just 1999.
Good news for anyone with any other year DAP or any other color car, but bad news for the people who own '99 DAP hatches.
</TD></TR></TABLE>Yeah, that's what I was afraid of.....
I'm just lucky, I guess. I'll watch the years of the other DAP hatches I see with the problem, but the bottom line for me is that I'm scrooed.So.... Anyone want to trade a 96-98 hatch for my 99 DAP hatch with the strip mining? Mine's a 5 speed with air and P/S.
HAHA!!
09-13-2007, 06:33 PM
#24
H-T White Ops
I made another thread with the paint color in the title to try to attract other DAP owners.
https://honda-tech.com/zerothread/2097477
https://honda-tech.com/zerothread/2097477
09-13-2007, 06:40 PM
#25
Honda-Tech Member
Thread Starter
iTrader: (1)
Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: Philadelphia, PA, USA
Posts: 137
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Re: (NOFX)
Thanks for the help!
I was thinking that it might also be a good idea to put something in the paint forum but I didn't want to cross post and since it seemed to be a Civic problem I only posted here.
So should I go to that other thread and sign up as having the problem? Seems between mine, and EE_Chris's we've got two confirmed so far.
I was thinking that it might also be a good idea to put something in the paint forum but I didn't want to cross post and since it seemed to be a Civic problem
I only posted here.So should I go to that other thread and sign up as having the problem? Seems between mine, and EE_Chris's we've got two confirmed so far.