fastraver

I like the 2005 Chevy Aveo instrument cluster. I have placed it into my 1993 Civic. only have 3 little issues. Tach, fuel, and temp gauge are not working. If I just touch wires and remove them, they move a little. My question, which the answer seems to be eluding me.
What would the Aveo cluster voltage be and the Civic?
Everything else works. Have done other swaps in the past with no issues.
I have searched on hondatech and other sites with no results.
I also have all the info of the wiring diagrams and such.
Or it may be just a faulty. Just want to see if others have tried swapping different makes into civics.

grumblemarc

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You're in uncharted territory. I think it's pretty safe to say 1-this has no business in the 92-00 forum, 2-you're probably on your own, and 3-since I've been here I've not seen anyone swap non-Honda clusters in Hondas, much less Civics.

NotARaCist

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Hmm, well this is a new one.

OP, you need to find the wiring diagram for the Aveo, and figure out exactly what inputs are going to each wire. It's readily available for Hondas, but Chevy...I don't know. Most domestic guys I've met don't even know what a wire is for, let alone what the voltage, amperage, and signal types are.

fastraver

I got all the wiring diagrams for both. Wired it correctly. I have a feeling it's a voltage/amp issue.

also to Mr. Grumble, I believe I did put this in the right thread. Due to the car is a 1993 body and a 1999 engine Civic.

If not, I apologize.

reason I am going with this style of cluster is that it's small and more of a round shape.

May try swapping the motors in the clusters and try that out.

Thanks for your guys help. Will let you know if I beat this.

andoxviii

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If you can get this to work, post a how-to. I doubt anyone would do the exact cluster swap that you're doing, but, what you learn here would go quite far to trying other clusters, as well.

This is interesting...and I've never even considered something like this before. Would be neat if you got this to work.

tony_2018

So does the Chevy diagram go from vss DIRECTLY to cluster, or vss TO ecu THAN to cluster? There is a reason why its not picking up the signal.

grumblemarc

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I guess youre right. I guess that's what happens when you enter new territory and uncharted waters.

If you do this one then someone can tell me how to get one from an IS300 into mine.

NotARaCist

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The issue you're having is bound to be in the type of signal each cluster expects.

tony_2018

Thats what I was getting at but since he hasn't replied that means he's probably working hard at it.

fastraver

I have not given up on this. I had my plate quite full. That's the curse of 2 weeks of work and 1 week off rotation, in the summer means real busy..

Also since the Chevy dealership is not able to return any calls. I have posted a thread on a AVEO/Wave forum it find out what the DC/amp and/or AC/amp is for the tach pin on the cluster.

oh and another freaking fun thing is that the dang thing has 3 WHT wires to feed different things. gets kinda a confusing at times.

cmwright1986

pics of the cluster?

fastraver

Here is the 2005 Aevo/Wave Cluster

OptimisticWay

looks like a Mustang or another 70's muscle car. I kinda like it.

fastraver

I haven't given up on this as of yet. Need to grab another cluster, as I think the one I got was faulty.

fastraver

Well this site has a time out. D'oh.

I have been fighting with this still.

Talked with a few shops around town, and was given little to no answer. Other then all cars run 12VDC system.

I have 14.3 DC and 9.3 AC on the Tach.

I have read other posts and I am wanting to make sure I haven't over looked something.

Any other '93 Civic owners able to check to see what you are running, please and thank you. Would like to compare notes.

I have also looked at swapping tach motors, no go, civic has 3 pins and Aveo/Wave has 4 pins.

I have also grabbed another cluster of the same make and year, still the same issue.

I do have service manuals for both. Read it almost clean through. No info about what the Volt should be, which would make this so much easier.

lostforawhile

is Chevy still running the temp sender that goes to the ecu and the ecu controls the gauges? the Chevy gauges may be stepper motors, not analog gauges like the civic as far as the voltage thats fine, 12 volts is a reference, it's normal to be around 14 volts, if they are stepper motor gauges, they are either controlled by the ECU or they may be a module that controls the gauges, if you can find a video of one of the gauges when it's first turned on, or if you know someone with one, if you see all the gauges sweep or all go to one position at once, they are stepper motor type gauges

NotARaCist

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LOL not all cars run 12VDC. There are plenty of cars that run 14V.

lostforawhile

it's the same thing, 12 volts is a reference when the engine is off, 14 volts running is normal for a 12 volt system

joey1320

Correct!
OP any progress? This is actually interesting.
Can you post the wiring diagrams for both?

fastraver

Well lostforawhile.

You are right on both accounts. All wires lead to the ECM/ECU. Also they do have stepper motors in the cluster, and they sweep.

I confirmed it with the dealer ship. I asked about stepper motors and he asked me what that was, groan. So I asked him if the gauges sweep when turning the car on, and he said yes they do.

So I read up on these stepper motors and they require a digital signal, not a analog signal. Now I could be wrong but there could be a way to convert the signal. but that is just getting a little out of hand for me.

I have been hunting around to find out when stepper motors started being used in clusters, gathered so afar, around the 1998 year or may be earlier for GM/Chevy.

2005 was the year Ford started using stepper motors. Hmm, might check something out for them.

So I fought the good fight and lost this battle, but will win the war.

To Joey1320. there will be no post in regards to this, as it was incompatible set up.
Unless your car is of the newer version and has stepper motors, it may work for you.

If that is the case, I found a good chunk of service manuals from pdftown.com

Also, please feel free to leave comments of all sorts.

Also I will keep this thread going. As I will be looking for another cluster. Aiming for a small cluster set up. As my car is slowly getting converted into a racer. Got a new '96 Integra RS rear. Oh goodie.

lostforawhile

have you thought of setting up the ECM that goes to the gauges, and using the original senders, just to run the gauges? there is probably somewhere you could mount it. it wouldnt matter if the ecm went into limp mode for missing sensors, use the right gauge inputs and the ecu has a tach sense wire somehow, that would require some investigation, but the gauges would work correctly as long as the ecu has power, the correct tach signal, and the original inputs required for the gauges, most VSS are a five volt output, they are pretty universal, so your existing vss might work

fastraver

lostforawhile

That is a great Idea. Didn't even think of fooling the system.

I did go back to the Pick and Pull and pulled the ECM to the Wave. Oh I was so wrong it was the TCM. Did some more wire reading. The ESS and VSS require the ECM and TCM (Throttle Control Module). the other gauges required a few more. So I have made a pass on that style.

But you did got me a thinking and I took a gander at some other Pontiac's. and Low and behold, I found a sweet gauge.



I was able to find a ECM, but now it's the wiring diagrams that seem to have a issue of finding.

Uncharted waters is so true.

Also, the one thing I have been thinking is putting in a set of individual racing gauges. Providing I find the ones I really like and will suit my needs.

Again, thanks for your help.