pornstarSR

ok so i have the suspension technics speedtech bar, with the brace.

SO THIS SHOULDNT HAPPEN

hmmm... new pics. i can fix it...time to weld.


other side what the hell....theres a hairline crack on the curve at the top...hmmm


sorry for fuzzy image but you get the idea, only back half is busted...but its busted good


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Ricey McRicerton

Hmm..I don't think I'll be putting my rear bar on anytime soon. Too many horror stores with these things...

slammed_93_hatch

i don't think you have to worry about it ricey as long as you run an SRR or comptech setup you will be good. and im willing to bet that this was used on a car with close to stock spring rates.

that does suck though man try and get some better pics

EG2 SiR

how long you been rockin' it? I've had mine on my del sol for about 2 years now with now problems..... and I take corners aggressively, though I do not road race....

AzntaggeR

ouch...maybe the beaks kit will help out a bit, but then i've even heard of horror stories about those not holding up.

slammed_93_hatch

seen that **** rip out too, comptech and SRR are the only i have never heard anything about

turboman

Honestly IMO with some hard rear springs you don't really need a sway bar out back. Of course I like a predictable car rather then one that whips around the autox course.

aw1234dude

I don't think you guys understand which bar he has. He says he had the suspension techniques speedtech bar which isnt just like their normal bar. It's like the comptech and srr setups where the swaybar attatches to a reinforcement tiebar. Heres a pic of it

Thats why i think he said "its not supposed to happen." I thought with these setups it would be nearly impossible for the subframe to tear out. I'm running the regular suspension techniques bar with the beaks kit and now im getting slightly worried. I hope I'm not the next one.....

And if you look in his sig at the site with the specs of his car, it says hes running tanabe sustec coilovers and energy suspension bushings. I'm not sure what the spring rates are on those coilovers but I'm pretty sure they arent too soft.....

pornstarSR

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by aw1234dude &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I don't think you guys understand which bar he has. He says he had the suspension techniques speedtech bar which isnt just like their normal bar. It's like the comptech and srr setups where the swaybar attatches to a reinforcement tiebar. Heres a pic of it

Thats why i think he said "its not supposed to happen." I thought with these setups it would be nearly impossible for the subframe to tear out. I'm running the regular suspension techniques bar with the beaks kit and now im getting slightly worried. I hope I'm not the next one.....

And if you look in his sig at the site with the specs of his car, it says hes running tanabe sustec coilovers and energy suspension bushings. I'm not sure what the spring rates are on those coilovers but I'm pretty sure they arent too soft.....</TD></TR></TABLE>

yeah thats the bar...its basically the same to the comptech bar.

and i have been running it for about 3 years now.

the tanabes are pretty stiff...but not enough to cause something like this too...

ill get new pic tomarrow

carsaregood

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by pornstarSR &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
the tanabes are pretty stiff...but not enough to cause something like this too...
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i think what they mean is that if the rear spring rates are high enough, there is less weight transfer, so also less force going through the sway bar/subframe. the higher the spring rate, the less stress on your subframe by the swaybar, the lower the chance of it tearing.

ATS*Mark

damn ive had my beaks kit on for a year and i beat the **** out of my car . never had a problem , sorry pornstasr

pornstarSR

ahh ok. well then.

the car weighs 2080lbs. with stiff suspension. still happened. hmmm

oh yeah and i have the bushing set but havent done any of the rear energy suspension bushing, cause i have heard things about the trailing arm ones. so i held off on it.

basically all the rear bushings are stock.

i mean am i wrong to beleive that this design of the speedtech bar was supposed to stop this from happening. i mean yeah sometimes things can still happen. but i have been promoting this damn bar ever since they gave it to me. saying "yeah it is supposed to stop the rear subframe from being torn out, by using the brace" and now it happens to me.

and thanks for all the poeple saying "that sucks sorry man"

JDMs1eeper

that sucks sorry man

why does this happen?

RacerXI

Sorry to see that. What is the rest of your suspension setup? I've had my comptech setup for almost 2.5 years now, but I've run GC's of at least 450lbs in the rear. I wonder if a soft rear spring pair might have had an effect.

6SPD_EK

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pornstarSR what springs are you running & what are the rates of the rear springs....sorry man, that sux

I think i might try to track down a CTR rear lower subframe from japan - just as back-up incase this happens to me. tearing the subframe can be pretty expensive

Targa250R

What rear spring rates were you running?

What size is that bar?

Guam_CiviC619

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Targa250R &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">What rear spring rates were you running?

What size is that bar?</TD></TR></TABLE>

I'd like to know too. Geeky_Gambit uses a Supension Techniques rear/front anti-roll bar and hasn't had problems, which is 19mm. Then again I don't know what his other suspension components are... I too was planning on running Suspension Techniques bars front and rear. What were you doing when it happened? Nice car by the way, sorry for the mishap.

For those of you who do not venture in the other forums of HT



Custom 32mm hollow Anti-Roll Bar, stress test on custom subframe reenforcement, by creator of plate.



And the link to the thread:

https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=785497

Archidictus

I've got Tein S-Techs on fully hard KYB AGX's in the rear with a ST swaybar without the tiebar attachment and I have no worries about the subframe tearing. My chassis has 250k miles on it too, so I don't know who's doing what to tear up their subframe?

Thirty-Nine

That's nuts. I've been looking for a rear bar for my car for a while. However, I just want a small bar (see signature).

Would a 13mm bar still have a risk of tearing the subframe? (I'm running H&R Sports on my 1998 EX coupe.) I was just planning on running the 99-00 Si bar w/o any reinforcement.

Is there a size limit not to cross w/o bracing (e.g. Beaks kit, Comptech bar w/brace)? I would think a 13mm bar would be just fine, considering the Si uses this bar (unless the 99-00 Si has a stronger subframe).

carsaregood

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Sushiboy &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
Would a 13mm bar still have a risk of tearing the subframe? (I'm running H&R Sports on my 1998 EX coupe.) I was just planning on running the 99-00 Si bar w/o any reinforcement.
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i asked this question not too long ago, and people said no reinforcement is necessary for a smaller bar.

https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=789079

degooser

does the rear sway help with understeer or oversteer or just overall balance of the car?

i know this is totally unrelated, but when i put sway bars on my RC car (i know but thats my only comparison) it didnt do anything in the handling department.

Thirty-Nine

A rear sway bar helps the rear end come around more (oversteer). Very helpful during autocross/roadracing.

degooser

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Sushiboy &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">A rear sway bar helps the rear end come around more (oversteer). Very helpful during autocross/roadracing. </TD></TR></TABLE>

ok thanks......this thread was making me rethink the whole rear sway bar thing..so of course a smaller gsr sway is better than nothing right?

cr00klyn718

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by degooser &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

ok thanks......this thread was making me rethink the whole rear sway bar thing..so of course a smaller gsr sway is better than nothing right?</TD></TR></TABLE>


correct

pornstarSR

OK i searched tanabes website and i cant find a spring rate for these things...retarded...ill have to look threw my info at the shop and see.

the speedtech rear bar and brace has a pretty big bar. i want to say like 20mm, this is why they use the brace with it, becuase its so big.

why do the subframes tear. because the stresses put on the mounting points of the swaybar are not strong enough to handle those types of loads(i.e big bar, also why the big aluminum brace is used, atleast thats what i thought)

i emailed ST, saying WTF(but in nicer words). but i have a feeling im SOL. oh well...

and swaybars are great if you ask me. people say "ah no big deal, you dont really need them." i loved the way the car handled with them. soo much more stable.

the thing that sucks the most is, guess what i was doing when i saw this.

INSTALLING the TURBO KIT. the THREE YEAR LONG custom expensive turbo kit.