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Old 09-20-2004, 10:14 AM
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Default Brake Setups!

I am looking to increase my stopping abilities, so any setups, advice or info will be helpful!

-What all do you need to put a Prelude brake setup on an EG Hatch? I have seen this before so this is why Im asking!

-What Brake pads do you recommend and why?

Im looking for the "best bang for you buck" type setup here!
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you will need 95-96(correct me on years) prelude rotors redrilled to 4x100 and you will need either accord wagon calipers or ITER calipers and you will need to grind a bit off of the caliper to get them to fit correctly

do a search, the topic has been covered many many times before

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by DirtySol &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">you will need 95-96(correct me on years) prelude rotors redrilled to 4x100 and you will need either accord wagon calipers or ITER calipers and you will need to grind a bit off of the caliper to get them to fit correctly

do a search, the topic has been covered many many times before

Carbotech brake pads are awesome......contact R&D Motorsports for best prices on them (843) 760-4804</TD></TR></TABLE>

Well, if you were doing an IT-R 5-lug conversion, the rotors are the same as 97+ Prelude rotors and the calipers are the same as the 91-97 Accord wagon calipers. As far as the rears, the calipers are the same as the GS-R's.

If you're looking for the best bang for your buck, why don't you just replace your rear drums to Si brake disks or get the entire Si brake setup. Next to that go with an entire GS-R brake setup.

You'll also need the 15/16" MC because of it's larger piston. If you can get it with the brake booster, go for it. You'll also need the 40/40 prop' valve. Without it, your rear disks have a greater chance of locking up easily or sometimes even on its own. Make sure all this is for non-ABS. (Unless, somehow, your car came with ABS.)
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by hybrid_vtec &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I am looking to increase my stopping abilities</TD></TR></TABLE>
How so? What are the limitations of your current brake system?

What do you do with the car?
Can you easily lock up your current brakes?
Are you having fade problems?

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">-What all do you need to put a Prelude brake setup on an EG Hatch? I have seen this before so this is why Im asking!</TD></TR></TABLE>
You most likely don't need it. Waste of effort, money, time, and/or unsprung and rotational mass.

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">-What Brake pads do you recommend and why?</TD></TR></TABLE>
Depends on what you intend to do with the car, and what the limitations of your current brake system are.

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Im looking for the "best bang for you buck" type setup here! </TD></TR></TABLE>
Depends on what you intend to do with the car, and what the limitations of your current brake system are. Tires, pads & fluid are the key to a good brake system.
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My bad I forgot to mention that I have a 92 Civic HB Si! I already have rear disc brakes!
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Want to upgrade for autocrossing! My car stops pretty well now so Im not sure if I should just upgrade the pads or the the whole rotor/caliper combo or what!
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by hybrid_vtec &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">My bad I forgot to mention that I have a 92 Civic HB Si! I already have rear disc brakes!</TD></TR></TABLE>

I think the cheapest way to go, with the best outcome, would be to get an entire GSR brake swap, some new Steal Braided brake lines, some race/street pads, and some good new fluid. this should yeild good resluts for a decent price if you shop around or can find a deal on some of this stuff.

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Or just get some new pads and re-evaluate after a couple of sessions...
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can you use a full GSR brake setup on your EG hatch that doesn't have ABS?
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by litterbox &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">can you use a full GSR brake setup on your EG hatch that doesn't have ABS?</TD></TR></TABLE>

Yes, I have a full ITR setup on my hatch without ABS. The ITR ABS is as good as it gets too... I just didn't want it.
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on my 93 eg hatch i am running a itr setup for honda-challange and they do the job for me.
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by hybrid_vtec &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">My bad I forgot to mention that I have a 92 Civic HB Si! I already have rear disc brakes!</TD></TR></TABLE>

Ahhh... I'm assuming your Si is non-ABS? The ABS-equipped Si's have larger rotors. They're the same as Integ' rotors. Next size up would be the GS/GS-R rotors, then the IT-R's.
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Default Re: Brake Setups!

if this is manily for autoX why don't you just get some good pads?

i highly doubt you would need anything more.

you wont get brake fade
you're not going super fast


just look into some pads. i have cobalt GT-sports and i love um.
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by TallAssFilipino &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

Ahhh... I'm assuming your Si is non-ABS? The ABS-equipped Si's have larger rotors. They're the same as Integ' rotors. Next size up would be the GS/GS-R rotors, then the IT-R's.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Actually, the civic ex/si and integra all have the same size rotors; abs equipped or not.
Civic ex abs has the same size calipers as integra (all integra, minus itr have the same calipers).
Civic ex non-abs and si have the same size caliper.
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by hybrid_vtec &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Want to upgrade for autocrossing! My car stops pretty well now so Im not sure if I should just upgrade the pads or the the whole rotor/caliper combo or what! </TD></TR></TABLE>
If you're just autocrossing, it isn't really necessary to upgrade the rotor size unless your car is horribly under-equipped as it comes. You mentioned that your car already stops "pretty well"; can you consistently lock up all four wheels? If so, then there is no reason to modify your brakes.

What tires and pads are you using? For autocross, Cobalt GT Sports or Axxis Ultimates should be sufficient for both street tire and R-compound applications.

Now if you intend on doing track days with a hybrid car, I would recommend upgrading to the 10.3" front brakes to help keep the temperatures down, and to go along with them a 15/16" master cylinder. You will also need pads and fluid that can withstand high temperatures.

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by pdiggitydogg &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

Actually, the civic ex/si and integra all have the same size rotors; abs equipped or not.
Civic ex abs has the same size calipers as integra (all integra, minus itr have the same calipers).
Civic ex non-abs and si have the same size caliper.</TD></TR></TABLE>
No, they don't.

The non-ABS EH3 Civic Si has 9.5" front rotors. All of the others you mentioned have 10.3" front rotors.
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huh didnt know that
good stuff
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If your just starting out autocrossing just change out the pads, lines and fluid. You don't want to make drastic changes in the car your used to driving. All of what I said is cheap and is done very easily. Pick out pads that are right for you. If you want to change pads for AutoX days get some race pads, if not get some all around good pads. I like Hawks and forodos, but get what you like.
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this thread is becoming increasingly annoying because of all of the misinformatuion
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by DirtySol &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">this thread is becoming increasingly annoying because of all of the misinformation</TD></TR></TABLE>

I have to agree.
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Jon V &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

I think the cheapest way to go, with the best outcome, would be to get an entire GSR brake swap, some new Steal Braided brake lines, some race/street pads, and some good new fluid. this should yeild good resluts for a decent price if you shop around or can find a deal on some of this stuff.

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No my car brakes petty good now, however I want it to react quicker to how I am driving so if I need to stop it'll stop!

So what pads do you guys reccommend b/c I see alot and did a few searches yesterday but not sure which ones to go with?(ex. Endless, EBC, AEM, or Hawk)

Also, yes I have heard using better brake Fluid helps out too! So which Brake fluid is really good to use?

Where can I get this stuff for a good price?
Thanx in advance!
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by hybrid_vtec &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
So what pads do you guys reccommend b/c I see alot and did a few searches yesterday but not sure which ones to go with?(ex. Endless, EBC, AEM, or Hawk)

Also, yes I have heard using better brake Fluid helps out too! So which Brake fluid is really good to use?

Where can I get this stuff for a good price?
Thanx in advance! </TD></TR></TABLE>

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On my EG6 hatch I got NSX front calipers, MG rover 11.5"x1" (282mmx25mm) rotors (I'm in England) they're the right PCD from the box and EBC Red Stuff Pads with steel lines all round and goodridge race spec fluid and the 15/16ths master cylinder.

Fair to say it stops like it's hit a wall, which is nice, also never had any fade either
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by DirtySol &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

Carbotech Pads- R&D Motorsports (843) 760-4804, talk to Chad and tell him Daniel sent you

ATS Super Blue brake fluid- ebaY</TD></TR></TABLE>

I know Chad at R&D we used to live in the same city he did my first motor swap!
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by crxste &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">On my EG6 hatch I got NSX front calipers, MG rover 11.5"x1" (282mmx25mm) rotors (I'm in England) they're the right PCD from the box and EBC Red Stuff Pads with steel lines all round and goodridge race spec fluid and the 15/16ths master cylinder.

Fair to say it stops like it's hit a wall, which is nice, also never had any fade either </TD></TR></TABLE>

-EBC Red Stuff Pads
-goodridge race spec fluid

Anyone else have any comments on these!
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