boost to an h22
09-22-2007, 12:54 PM
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Re: (ke98248)
im definately using that turbo, just comtemplating on how much boost to push, actually was thinking about 16, this is a garage build w/ no dyno. once everything is said and done its going to a speed shop for tuning, its a jdm 22 swapped into a 93 sol S
09-22-2007, 12:58 PM
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Re: (ke98248)
He said he only wanted a guess. It was an off the wall guess....and i was assuming that he was using a stock h22 and a basic bolt on turbo kit with a t3/4.
09-22-2007, 12:59 PM
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Re: (dark_samurai73)
A gt67 is waaaaaaay to big for an h22.. A little 2.2 liter won't be matched well with a huge-*** gt67.. Those belong on 5.0 liter motors and up.
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09-22-2007, 01:15 PM
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wow i said the wrong one, i apologize, it would take me forever to spool that thing w/ the 22, while typing i was reading about the 67 being one of the turbos squires turbo systems uses,
09-22-2007, 01:23 PM
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now im looking like i dont know what im talking about, and i dont know why i even said the 67, im using a ******* 60-1 ballbearing, seen this turbo run on srt4s all the time, its a good turbo
09-22-2007, 02:50 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by suicide_shift »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">0 when those sleeves crack ill laugh </TD></TR></TABLE>
im laughing at you right now. explain why the sleeves will crack?
im laughing at you right now. explain why the sleeves will crack?
09-22-2007, 04:03 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by suicide_shift »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">0 when those sleeves crack ill laugh </TD></TR></TABLE>
The stock H22A sleeves are stronger than any of the stock D or B-series sleeves. Stick around here more often and you'll soon find out that a good portion of the stuff you learn on many sub-par forums is nothing but nonsense that is passed from one clueless person to another.
The stock H22A sleeves are stronger than any of the stock D or B-series sleeves. Stick around here more often and you'll soon find out that a good portion of the stuff you learn on many sub-par forums is nothing but nonsense that is passed from one clueless person to another.
09-22-2007, 04:13 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by doood »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
im laughing at you right now. explain why the sleeves will crack?</TD></TR></TABLE>
yeah X2 don think it has to do anything about the sleeves.
My buddy rescently boosted a Stock H22a with 13lbs boost and well its not looking good
83 psi on cylinder 3....
havent figured out but my guess would be cracked piston rings.
Point is H22s are not really ment to boost. (stock) ************
If you decide to build it go right ahead wont get into much trouble.
I know a guy that has an H22a boosted and pushes around 600whp
1/4 time 10.99 ....so depends how much money you want to investe
Heres my opinion : If your gonna be cheap on you turbo set up... Bye Bye H22
: If your gonna built the motor (not fully built) you should be fine
im laughing at you right now. explain why the sleeves will crack?</TD></TR></TABLE>
yeah X2 don think it has to do anything about the sleeves.
My buddy rescently boosted a Stock H22a with 13lbs boost and well its not looking good
83 psi on cylinder 3....
havent figured out but my guess would be cracked piston rings.
Point is H22s are not really ment to boost. (stock) ************
If you decide to build it go right ahead wont get into much trouble.
I know a guy that has an H22a boosted and pushes around 600whp
1/4 time 10.99 ....so depends how much money you want to investe
Heres my opinion : If your gonna be cheap on you turbo set up... Bye Bye H22
: If your gonna built the motor (not fully built) you should be fine
09-22-2007, 04:22 PM
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yeah X2 don think it has to do anything about the sleeves.
My buddy rescently boosted a Stock H22a with 13lbs boost and well its not looking good
83 psi on cylinder 3....
havent figured out but my guess would be cracked piston rings.
Point is H22s are not really ment to boost. (stock) ************
If you decide to build it go right ahead wont get into much trouble.
I know a guy that has an H22a boosted and pushes around 600whp
1/4 time 10.99 ....so depends how much money you want to investe
Heres my opinion : If your gonna be cheap on you turbo set up... Bye Bye H22
: If your gonna built the motor (not fully built) you should be fine</TD></TR></TABLE>
the weak part in h22's when it comes to boost are the ring lands. im willing to bet his ringlands on the #3 piston are broken.
yeah X2 don think it has to do anything about the sleeves.
My buddy rescently boosted a Stock H22a with 13lbs boost and well its not looking good
83 psi on cylinder 3....
havent figured out but my guess would be cracked piston rings.
Point is H22s are not really ment to boost. (stock) ************
If you decide to build it go right ahead wont get into much trouble.
I know a guy that has an H22a boosted and pushes around 600whp
1/4 time 10.99 ....so depends how much money you want to investe
Heres my opinion : If your gonna be cheap on you turbo set up... Bye Bye H22
: If your gonna built the motor (not fully built) you should be fine</TD></TR></TABLE>
the weak part in h22's when it comes to boost are the ring lands. im willing to bet his ringlands on the #3 piston are broken.
09-22-2007, 04:37 PM
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yeah X2 don think it has to do anything about the sleeves.
My buddy rescently boosted a Stock H22a with 13lbs boost and well its not looking good
83 psi on cylinder 3....
havent figured out but my guess would be cracked piston rings.
Point is H22s are not really ment to boost. (stock) ************
If you decide to build it go right ahead wont get into much trouble.
I know a guy that has an H22a boosted and pushes around 600whp
1/4 time 10.99 ....so depends how much money you want to investe
Heres my opinion : If your gonna be cheap on you turbo set up... Bye Bye H22
: If your gonna built the motor (not fully built) you should be fine</TD></TR></TABLE>
I think that if someone is running 13 pounds on a stock engine or even one that is not set up for boost, they are destined to get "cracked" rings. If his rings are "cracked" though, i dont see how the engine even runs. That is one area which i feel should be upgraded to set the engine up for boost. I dont think it is a must to build the whole engine even though i would rather do that. Just upgrade the piston rings, head gasket and maybe even the rods and I say bring on the boost!
yeah X2 don think it has to do anything about the sleeves.
My buddy rescently boosted a Stock H22a with 13lbs boost and well its not looking good
83 psi on cylinder 3....
havent figured out but my guess would be cracked piston rings.
Point is H22s are not really ment to boost. (stock) ************
If you decide to build it go right ahead wont get into much trouble.
I know a guy that has an H22a boosted and pushes around 600whp
1/4 time 10.99 ....so depends how much money you want to investe
Heres my opinion : If your gonna be cheap on you turbo set up... Bye Bye H22
: If your gonna built the motor (not fully built) you should be fine</TD></TR></TABLE>
I think that if someone is running 13 pounds on a stock engine or even one that is not set up for boost, they are destined to get "cracked" rings. If his rings are "cracked" though, i dont see how the engine even runs. That is one area which i feel should be upgraded to set the engine up for boost. I dont think it is a must to build the whole engine even though i would rather do that. Just upgrade the piston rings, head gasket and maybe even the rods and I say bring on the boost!
09-22-2007, 06:16 PM
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I have an SI with a Euro R H22 and if it doesn't sell I think I am going to build it up a little and turbo it. I just am going to hate ripping apart a perfectly good strong low mileaged motor.
09-23-2007, 06:28 AM
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What do you plan on building then? In my case I plan on mahle pistons, some sort of rods, headwork and a good hg at least.
09-23-2007, 08:51 AM
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you dont need rods for a mild build, as long as you are not increasing the rpm limitations. You should be able to do over 400whp safely on the stock rods assuming that you keep it under 7500 rpm, which is best for an h series tranny anyways.
09-23-2007, 09:03 AM
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Re: (dark_samurai73)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by dark_samurai73 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">now im looking like i dont know what im talking about, and i dont know why i even said the 67, im using a ******* 60-1 ballbearing, seen this turbo run on srt4s all the time, its a good turbo</TD></TR></TABLE>
Yeah, I really dunno about that particular turbo (never heard of it) but USUALLY anything ran on the SRT-4's as a turbo upgrade is pretty perfect for a Civic's motor (or swapped motor).
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by suicide_shift »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">0 when those sleeves crack ill laugh </TD></TR></TABLE><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by CivicSpoon »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
The stock H22A sleeves are stronger than any of the stock D or B-series sleeves. Stick around here more often and you'll soon find out that a good portion of the stuff you learn on many sub-par forums is nothing but nonsense that is passed from one clueless person to another.</TD></TR></TABLE>
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The reason they're COMPOSITE is what makes them stronger. The only downside to this is they don't always seal the best - and they WON'T seal against new pistons.
So you're screwed, right? No. You just have the block bored out and stainless steel sleeves installed and you never have to worry about it again, the block will react exactly like an F22 block. Though while I'm on that subject, you can probably put H22 internals on an F22 block (it has steel sleeves stock) and bam, you got yourself a boost-ready H22.
Composite materials (or in this case: "alloys" as some of them are mixed w/ steel) make things stronger, but new rings can't seat well against them. BUT. If he plans on running 7 or 8lbs on a mid-sized turbo then he doesn't have to swap out the internals...which means it'll run fine...
The only time the H's wall material becomes a problem is if you need new pistons - in which case you need to rebore w/ steel sleeves - unless somebody knows a way of sealing new rings to composite walls - I sure as hell don't, but they had to seal 'em out of the factory.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by oneludesol »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">you dont need rods for a mild build, as long as you are not increasing the rpm limitations. You should be able to do over 400whp safely on the stock rods assuming that you keep it under 7500 rpm, which is best for an h series tranny anyways.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Agreed.
If you're not upping the redline it could take a fair deal of punishment - but I wouldn't leave the wastegate set to a point where it's making 400whp daily anyways. It's the text book definition of "not necessary."
Yeah, I really dunno about that particular turbo (never heard of it) but USUALLY anything ran on the SRT-4's as a turbo upgrade is pretty perfect for a Civic's motor (or swapped motor).
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by suicide_shift »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">0 when those sleeves crack ill laugh </TD></TR></TABLE><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by CivicSpoon »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
The stock H22A sleeves are stronger than any of the stock D or B-series sleeves. Stick around here more often and you'll soon find out that a good portion of the stuff you learn on many sub-par forums is nothing but nonsense that is passed from one clueless person to another.</TD></TR></TABLE>
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The reason they're COMPOSITE is what makes them stronger. The only downside to this is they don't always seal the best - and they WON'T seal against new pistons.
So you're screwed, right? No. You just have the block bored out and stainless steel sleeves installed and you never have to worry about it again, the block will react exactly like an F22 block. Though while I'm on that subject, you can probably put H22 internals on an F22 block (it has steel sleeves stock) and bam, you got yourself a boost-ready H22.
Composite materials (or in this case: "alloys" as some of them are mixed w/ steel) make things stronger, but new rings can't seat well against them. BUT. If he plans on running 7 or 8lbs on a mid-sized turbo then he doesn't have to swap out the internals...which means it'll run fine...
The only time the H's wall material becomes a problem is if you need new pistons - in which case you need to rebore w/ steel sleeves - unless somebody knows a way of sealing new rings to composite walls - I sure as hell don't, but they had to seal 'em out of the factory.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by oneludesol »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">you dont need rods for a mild build, as long as you are not increasing the rpm limitations. You should be able to do over 400whp safely on the stock rods assuming that you keep it under 7500 rpm, which is best for an h series tranny anyways.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Agreed.
If you're not upping the redline it could take a fair deal of punishment - but I wouldn't leave the wastegate set to a point where it's making 400whp daily anyways. It's the text book definition of "not necessary."
09-23-2007, 10:55 AM
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60-1 is only the trim size, and im really only looking for 300 or so horsepower w/ no intentions of upping my redline. in the future it will be built up more, but at the moment im only breathing life back into my sol w/ a new motor build.