otek // ek.dipn

96 ek d16y8

What is the best oem throttle body you can put on it? i heard off of a b series? will a gsr tb fit? and even if it does witch would be better? i'm not going turbo so what would be the best size(mm) if i went after market?

also if you got one let me know=p im buyin

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are you using the OE intake mani?

otek // ek.dipn

Yeah oe intake mani

EJeff8

Yeah, without boost, this is a dumb idea IMO. You aren't force feeding anymore air and even then, if you're staying with the OEM Manifold what good does a bigger TB do? You won't force more air into the same size IM by just getting a bigger TB size, hate to break it to you.

otek // ek.dipn

have you seen the inside of a intake manifold before? by putting a bigger throttle body on it, it forces air thru the chambers better increasing house power and torque you ***bag stop hating on the y8 fourms

EJeff8

^ Not trying to be a d bag, just don't want a Honda owner wasting money where it's really not going to help bro.

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+1

youll need to match the IM with the TB or else its useless.

EJeff8

and even then, he'll maybe only make 11 or so hp. I know once again, because I've tried to go this route. This route is only effective if FI.

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werd..

like i said, youll need to spend alot of $$$ to make ur Y8 fast..simple bolt ons are a waste of $$ when u can use that money to make the engine produce good numbers on FI

otek // ek.dipn

okay the reason i dont wanna go all skunk2 crazy and **** is a cops KNOWW what a aftermarket intakes look like and they will take my ****, just a tb is not noticeable even if it gives minimal gain i would like to.. but if you guys say there is NOOooo gain than f it. thats why im askin

EJeff8

^ There will be almost no gain, maybe 1 hp if lucky. A Y8 isn't like a truck where aftermarket TB's increase torque. No boost, no boom. And I want to know how cops have the right to jack engine parts from you. You mean e - check ****?

kevinm1981

for what worse gas mileage and less power? no point.

Vindicator9000

Nobody's hating on you, he's trying to keep you from wasting money. Some of us have been here for years, and we've seen what works and what doesn't. I'm not a super crazy N/A D-series guy, but I've seen the dyno sheets from countless crazy D16y8 builds.

Say what you want, dynos have proven time and again that rinky-dink boltons don't do crap on a stock y8. It's been proven that a full P&P head, stage 3 cam, P&P manifold, header, tune, etc, etc, gets you like 25HP on a y8, after spending $5K. If that's what you're into, then be my guest.

Now, if you went with a larger OE TB, portmatched the intake manifold, P&P'ed, then portmatched the intake runners, you might get 5HP. In that case, I believe you can use a B-series throttle body. But just throwing one on is going to reduce your power and hurt your gas mileage.

builthatch

25! bah. come on y0!

you can make 115ftlbs of tq TO THE WHEELS with all of that stuff on stock compression...at least. the stroke is so dope - the tq is nice. whp would be in the 140 range.

p29 pistons and you are hitting 120ftlbs and 150-160whp.

dave at SMS has made headers for d-series that without tunes have made 10+ whp. the story is more in the curve improvement though.

BUT...

1. IMO, the only chassis worthy for building an NA d is anything 4th gen or below. that's it. a 3rd or 4th gen CRX is perfect for it. reason is...yes, the power numbers for a built d are comparable to a b18c however that's the absolute ceiling. in a heavier chassis, that sucks. in a CRX, it's f'n awesome.

2. i think that building an NA d is only worthwhile if you can do almost everything yourself. the engines certainly are easy enough to work on (i think d-series are superbly engineered). if you end up paying money for labor and stuff, you end up approaching swap territory.

anyway,

i agree that the OP need not waste the cash or time on a TB.

Vindicator9000

Yeah, you're right, I exaggerated a bit. But still you have to put tons into a D to make meaningful gains.

otek // ek.dipn

okay well well, im going boost after hearing this! ill have the money to do so in about 2-3 weeks... keep the ideas coming? im thinking of going with a bizimoto cam? and it will be tuned by him also but thats after the turbo, whats some good turbs putting out some good results for the d16y8??

jhholloway

back to original topic. This TB looks like stock. a COP will not be able to tell the difference. They are the exact same design just larger. I have one in my sol and I love it. I also have a TB from a CRV is 65mm.

http://www.summitracing.com/parts/PFS-69607/

EJeff8

Trust me if you do, if you don't w/e. But I've heard Ebay Turbs are actually starting to be built better. I always say stay away from Ebay stuff, but with these turbs, if they blow, it was what? $250? The trick is to run an oil restrictor with them. The problem with them is that the seals blow due to an overload in oil, run the restrictor and you should be fine. Lately, I've heard many more good stories with Ebay turbs then bad. Buy the rest of your pieces from namebrand places though. You can try Ebay piping if you like, but w/e you do STAY AWAY FROM EBAY MANIFOLDS. Now, there are 4 types of manifolds you can choose from. Log, Miniram, Ramhorn, and topmount. Bling factor rises up from Log. Spooling factor slows from Log, but (this is what I think is most important) Power increas from log. Personally, I'd choose a Ramhorn. Nice bling, 3rd slowest spool time, but second best manifold power.

There's my two cents.

EJeff8

Too bad you Sol doesn't. Your losing power, money and gas mileage Bro.

otek // ek.dipn

well i have cold air intake, aem fuel rail, bigger injectors, high flow cat, also going odb1 next week, what do you think about a obd jumper off ebay??

EJeff8

That sounds fine. I have a website that allows you to completely customize a p28 new for $250. That's customization of vtec engagement, rev limiter, speed governor remover and some other things. They also sell a jumper new for $75.

http://www.swapshopracing.com/contents/en-us/d434.html

builthatch

i'm sorry if i come off as a know-it-all, but i've been playing with SOHC for a long time.

sell that rail and injectors.

the stock rail is good to way more power than you'll ever need in a street car.

the stock injectors are 240cc. at stock fuel pressure, they can support more power than even the highest compression/large cam/wild porting street SOHC can make. at 55 psi base pressure, they can support close to 200whp. keep in mind the stock injectors are the same used on a GSR engine.

if you decide to go obd1 and run a p28, leave the ECU stock until you change something that dramatically changes the dynamics of the engine. that means a camshaft, or a bump in compression, or something of substance.

at that point you can go get it dyno tuned.

i only get jumpers from rywire or boomslang. that's it. those guys have been making perfect harness forever.

depends on what happens with it blows. if it sheds pieces, which has happened more than anyone wants to think, you have a catastrophic engine failure on your hands.

do it right the first time and get reputable **** that you know won't break.

go-autoworks is an ideal source for cost effective turbo upgrades.

www.go-autoworks.com