Daysleeper

Okay here we go.....I`m into to buy an Civic -92 4-Door SI.
After i have done all the bolton part souch as
-CAI,Intake Manifold,Trottel Body,Manifold and Exhust system.

Should i get an separate ecu like hondata and Motec.
And then get started with the cam`s and high comp pistons and etc.??

I would like only serious questions


[Modified by Daysleeper, 2:40 AM 9/8/2002]

GetawayInMoscow

Not trying to be a dick just helping you out:

throttle

exhaust

nwdave

Just out of curiousity, where do you live Daysleeper?

If you read the Integra Type-R forum, a lot of the NA engine building info there can be used on the B16A. The engines are kind of similar, and you'll get a good idea of what brands work and what does what.

ciRcuitJerk

i didnt know that they made a 4 door si

nwdave

That's why I'm kinda thinking Daysleeper isn't from the US. Plus there are some grammar issues...

Kengs

Look in his profile; he is from Norway

nwdave

I realize trial users didn't have a location show up.

But anyway, back on-topic...

Just keep in mind that the main thing with making good, reliable power is to tune the engine. Preferably with a standalone.

ciRcuitJerk

thanks for correcting me haha

Daysleeper

Yeah i`m from Norway in Europe...But we have some very nice tuning company`s
here that is importing nice stuffs from the states...so that`s why i`m here and asking around what is the best...since you guys are more experienced with tuning civic`s. Here in europe Honda released 4-Door SI but i don`t know if they released it in the states.But they are very few of them here in Europe.

So Back to the topic:
Should i get the standalone unit or not..before i`m going further??


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[Modified by Daysleeper, 3:27 PM 9/8/2002]

B18C5-EH2

I would start with some good cams:

Skunk2 - Stages 1,2,3
JUN - Again 1,2,3
Toda - Spec A,B,C
SPOON
JDM Honda Civic Type R Intake Cam

These are all good cams for the B16A. The bigger the cams the more you'll need valvetrain like titanium retainers, and stiffer valvesprings. Bigger cams also like higher compression and lots of tuning, so unless you're tearing the bottom end apart and stuffing 11.5:1 CR pistons in then you might want to stick with less agressive cams. All the first-stage cams from each listed above can be used with stock valvetrain and are best for stock CR motors. The rest will need more fuel, tuning, valvetrain upgrades, and most likely more compression in the bottom end.

Then add some camgears of your choice. I've had good experiences with Skunk2 gears. These allow your tuner to fine-tune the cam timing.

Intake manifold:

Either an Integra Type R, Skunk2, or JG/Edelbrock manifold will increase high RPM power at the cost of what little low end the B16A already has. This might be better for bigger cams.

Fuel enrichment:

If you have mild cams then a nice piggyback fuel computer like a, Apex-i V-AFC used in conjuction with a fuel pressure regulator will help a lot. Tuning is the key here!

If you have a big budget then you might want to build the bottom end. If it were me I'd simply yank out the B16A and sell it and buy a 1.8L DOHC VTEC motor. The extra .2 liters will help big time in the end. A stock B18C5 or B18C6 (in europe) from an Integra Type R will most likely out power a nicely built B16A when the Type R motor is STOCK. Add cams and tuning to an ITR motor and you can get to levels not possible with the B16A.

shawnhayes

From the looks of it, you will not really need an ECU replacement yet. If you get porting, bigger cams, forced induction, or start mucking around with compression ratio, then you need a stand alone ECU.

I recommend the Hondata for OBD-I cars, and AEM's programmable engine management ECU for OBD-II cars. The motec requires a lot of custom wiring and work.

Shawn

Daysleeper

Thanks..But i`m going to go for high comp. engine..so should i go straight with the Toda spec C or JUN stage 3 cams to begin with,or less aggresive cams?

advanracing62

JUN III are great cams. I've never been much of a Toda guy so I'm biased. I'm in the process of building the same motor to hit around 200-210 whp. If you stuff 12.5:1 in that block and run the JUN III then you should be close. Add some other essentials and you should be there. JUN header, JUN valve springs, JUN retainers, JUN cam gears, JUN TI Muffler, Power Enterprise timing belt, and you should be set. Keep in mind that when using a compay for cams it's best to buy all the related items as they are tuned together by the company. JUN, Toda, Skunk2, etc.

Daysleeper

I was thinking a comp around 13:1 or higher anything below that i don`t consider a High comp. engine.So i was thinking about to go for All Toda engine with the time.


Is it anyone here that has good experience with Toda?? Is it very reliable parts??


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Daysleeper

Anyone???????????

ANB Clothing Co

from what i hear the toda cams snap timing belts pretty often,....i built a 13:1 compression motor with crower stage 3's arias pistons; and a milled head...worked great...hit 12's all motor in a heavy *** del sol

Adam.

Why the AEM for OBD-II cars? Why not just get the changeover plug for the hondata to work with OBD-II? I was nearly set on the hondata.

ce

Nope..Type R engine dynoes at 175 flywheel hp and my B16A2 dynoed at 160 hp..Even though the Type R is set to have 190 hp it's something entirely different in real life..I talk a lot with a very experienced tuner here and he says the Type Rs average around 175 at the flywheel..Sad but true..
just my 0.02..Not saying a b18c5 isn't a good engine,but it's not that much more powerful than a b16A

Daysleeper

Okay..so the Jun,Spoon and Crower part`s are more reliable than Toda??? If i understand it right ?? I have no cash or economy for swaping an B18C5..i use those money to make an killer B16a enigne Is it right that the civic 92-93 SI comes with the OBD-1 unit or not???

ce

I'm planning to go for either Crower or JUN ..Haven't decided yet.Yes it's an ODB-1 car..Mine's a 93 and it's ODB-1

Daysleeper

Thanks...I think i go for the Jun products then and Hondata standalone unit.

I would like to thank you all for all the answers you have given me for this time

You guys ruuuules

Apex i ITR

Toda stuff seems to be a little troublesome for people here but the guys in Japan seem to have no problem. I was running Toda cams and I shreeded teeth on the timing belt and it took out my motor. But the cams were so good I'm going to give it another shot with a stronger timing belt.

There has been more dyno plots shown with motors hitting 200 whp and beefy midrange. Not trying to burn this thread down with a Toda is the best product, I like Jun III's and Skunk 2's (hell I'm even a fan of the CTR cams) but there are plenty of choices, Toda isn't bad, neither are the competitors.

FifthGearOnline

products that give you torque are your friend when you have a B16

Doctor CorteZ

exactly.

Daysleeper

But i want reliable products that give me performace and that last long and with minor problems to.
Jun has very good reputation on making good parts.
Toda is very new to me.
So that`s way i`m asking you guys