Jankis

Hi,

The serious question i have, is: which OEM camshafts and which Aftermarket camshafts are the best for my set up???

So, the set up will be:

B18C5 block with stock internals;
B16A2 head, ported;
IM ported with Cold air intake, Hondata head/IM gasket; Maybe better IM in the future
Header in near future;
Full exhaust;
ECU tuning;

1. Which OEM camshafts are better for my set up? CTR(from K20) or ITR????

2. Wich aftermarket camshafts should i go with, if i will also upgrade valvetrane? And WHY that camshafts?

I know skunk2, Blox and some others...
But there are so many Stages and manufacturers of them, so i do not know wich are better, and which to choose?


PLEASE HELP AND GIVE ME ADVICE


Modified by Jankis at 9:59 AM 11/21/2006

Eran

iTrader: (1)

B18A2 head?

Does that even have VTEC?

Jankis

Maybe i mised the code.
I have european 92-95 Civic VTi engine, with Dohc Vtec (160hp)

Luserkid

K series cams wont fit B series.

If your looking for stock go with ITR, if your looking for some power and building the motor go with Buddy Club. We made great power with BC4s

Jankis

Luserkid, but why Buddy Club, and Why Stage 4???
Remember, for head I will just do porting and upgrade valvetrain! Is it enough for agressive cams?

Eran

iTrader: (1)

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I have european 92-95 Civic VTi engine, with Dohc Vtec (160hp)</TD></TR></TABLE>

B16A2

And some B18C1/4 cams would be great, as would be some B18C5/6 cams.

Luserkid

Buddy club makes some great cams, we used them and made great power (the BC4s). Thats why i suggested them. Its really on what type of build you want. Theres other cams out there but out of all the graphs i saw with similar setup to what we had with the BC4s we always made alot more torque then everyone else and had a nicer curve.

Jankis

Damn fingers, that should be B16A2 :D

So, for my set up, and highest hp and tq output the best camshafts are BC stage4??? Why not stage 5 for example? Or skunk2 I just whant to know why

What hp output should i expect from this set up and BC4s?

That are the alternatives? For egz.

Jankis

Waiting for some ideas for upper questions,

but have new idea:
What about BLOX cams on my setup?
I found BLOX Type HSL(stage 3)+dual srings+ti Retainers FOR 700$

Luserkid

For you since your running the stock compression (i believe with your head and all makes it about 11.7) you shouldnt go higher then BC3s, S2P1, S2S2, Toda B, Blox B.

Jankis

So if i want go with stage3 and up, i need higher compresion? What kind? Does the special headgasket enough to make it higher?

Jankis

So with my setup and better headgasket, BC3 or BC4 or maybe BC5??? I need really good advice..

Should i use same manufacturer valvetrain?

Luserkid

For spec 4 and some other company spec 3s youll need atleast a 12.5 compression to run them to there full potential and that involves switching out pistons.

For valvetrain you could go with the recommended company that the cams manufacturer says or you could go with someone like supertech.

MrRealityman

ok i got a question. what is beter for a short stroker motore? higher cams? higher compression ratio? i mean im looking to build a b20 with vtec withing the next year and i want it to rev high. what sould i use on it?

Jankis

Now i see:
Buddy Club &lt;=Stg3; other company cams &lt;=stg2

Thank You Luserkid!!!! You'r the MAN! )

If You can, say You'r opinion about Blox stg1&2 and Skunk2 stg1&2. Maybe i can get them here, i Lithuania, if no - USA e-shops is my hope

Also, if NO valve train upgrades done, that aftermarket camshafts You sugguest?

Earthworm Jim

K20 Cams in a B-series

blaze the chemi

Why not a CTR intake cam and a ITR exhaust cam? I know the CTR has the most lift. If you get cam gears then you could tune the overlap and get a nice curve. This way you can stick with Honda parts and chose the valve train that corresponds with each cam.

SkoundrelUSA

Buddy Club 3 is NOT a "stage 3 cam"

Buddy Club 4 is NOT a "stage 4 cam"

Buddy Club named their **** weird. The BC3s are closer to a stage 1 cam and BC4 is a stage 2 cam etc.

If you're staying OEM you're only choice is ITR/CTR really. Other B-series cams are useless.

I'm running Skunk2 Stage2s on a simliar setup (gsr block/crank/rods with USDM ITR pistons and B16 head). Made 195whp N/A along with other mods obviously

Luserkid

Not completely BC stg 3 is the same as other companys stg 2s but for some it is. For some reason BC skipped stg 1 and went to stage 2 for 1 type of deal (atleast i havent seen a stg1 BC).

From what i saw the Blox type A (stage 1) and S2S1 are basically type R cams, i dont think there really worth it unless you cant find some type r cams for cheap.

If your not going to upgrade your valvetrain then just stick with stock cams or stg1's. You should search around in the all motor forums because your pretty much tapping me out of all motor cam knowledge.

SkoundrelUSA

Yeah I was gonna say its like a 1 and a half stage lol. I had BC3s on stock B16 valvetrain and I was kinda disappointed with its performance. A lot happier now with my Skunk2 setup

Jankis

Thank's SkoundrelUSA, i will know that now

But can You say Your opinion about camshafts for my set up?
OEM - ITR
And aftermarket- ???

Wich stage skunk2 do You use on stock valvetrain?

Luserkid

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Buddy Club named their **** weird. The BC3s are closer to a stage 1 cam and BC4 is a stage 2 cam etc.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Wow i never knew that until i found this thread. I always thought 3s were 2s instead of 1s. crazy.

OP: Check this thread out to get you a better info on what cams are what.

Cam specs:

http://www.allmotorhonda.com/t...s.htm

SkoundrelUSA

People have made 200whp with OEM CTR cams. Me personally, I like skunk2s.

Since you have a USDM block, your compression is like in the low 11:1s. You can probably still make power just with CTRs but like I said I'm a skunk2 fan.

Pretty much it all depends if you want to spend the $$$ for the aftermarket stuff

Jankis

Find b16 CTR cams here - NO chanse
I i'm willing to find ITR at good price, if not then aftermarket.

I wrote my set up earlier, so You can imagine what i will do to my engine. Only one problem in engine stuff: what cams with/with out valvetrain
I sometimes think, that i will not find ITR, so i must go with aftermarket

SkoundrelUSA

2000-2001 ITR cams are the same as CTR cams just so you know. The 97-99 ITR cams have a little less duration or lift (I forget which) so they're not as "good"

People sell both on HT all the time for a decent price. Only problem is people always expletive up thinking that they are ITR cams but end up receiving GSRs. So if you do decide to get ITR/CTRs, make sure you get pics of them and match them to the real ITR/CTRs.

All aftermarket companies recommend you get a upgraded valvetrain (even stage 1 cams) because they don't want people to start revving to 9k because they think it makes crazy power from a cam swap and expletive **** up. For the most part you don't really need to upgrade valvetrain with any stage 1 cam but I'd only rev it to the stock redline. Stage 2 and up its mandatory.