B20 With GSR head
03-05-2008, 09:10 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by JeffBro »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
Yeah but a gsr head yields more compression vs b16 or type r. And you could port the gsr head I suppose.
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NO IT DOES NOT! the b16 head is not factory ported, the itr head is. and yes the gsr head has a different combustion chamber design which yields a bump in CR. and of course you can port the gsr head. ppl who swap out a gsr head for a b16 head are retarded as [freak].
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Deetz »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
I don't think so. Having owned both, i'll start by saying they are both good engines. For the money and performance, i think the b20 is a better deal. Especially the later higher compression, more powerful version.
I have one in my EK, and it pulls harder and faster than any gsr swap i've ever been in. This engine is rated at the crank for 146hp and 133ft lbs tq, but it is underated, and makes better numbers than that. Hell, it is not even necessary to go with a vtec head, it performs very well right out of the box. I have only a Toda flyweel and a edelbrock header for upgrades, the car makes tremendous power, and the torque is amazing. </TD></TR></TABLE>
well if you are happy with that fine, i'm not talking solely about power. the gsr block has many refinements that makes for a more solid and cooler running block. hands down for reliability and stock for stock the gsr block is better by far. b20 will make more power obviously. a b20z does not pull harder then a b18c1, maybe from 3k-5k rpms but it will be left in the dust in the higher rpms
Yeah but a gsr head yields more compression vs b16 or type r. And you could port the gsr head I suppose.
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NO IT DOES NOT! the b16 head is not factory ported, the itr head is. and yes the gsr head has a different combustion chamber design which yields a bump in CR. and of course you can port the gsr head. ppl who swap out a gsr head for a b16 head are retarded as [freak].
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Deetz »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
I don't think so. Having owned both, i'll start by saying they are both good engines. For the money and performance, i think the b20 is a better deal. Especially the later higher compression, more powerful version.
I have one in my EK, and it pulls harder and faster than any gsr swap i've ever been in. This engine is rated at the crank for 146hp and 133ft lbs tq, but it is underated, and makes better numbers than that. Hell, it is not even necessary to go with a vtec head, it performs very well right out of the box. I have only a Toda flyweel and a edelbrock header for upgrades, the car makes tremendous power, and the torque is amazing. </TD></TR></TABLE>
well if you are happy with that fine, i'm not talking solely about power. the gsr block has many refinements that makes for a more solid and cooler running block. hands down for reliability and stock for stock the gsr block is better by far. b20 will make more power obviously. a b20z does not pull harder then a b18c1, maybe from 3k-5k rpms but it will be left in the dust in the higher rpms
03-05-2008, 09:26 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by nate_2k5 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
well if you are happy with that fine, i'm not talking solely about power. the gsr block has many refinements that makes for a more solid and cooler running block. hands down for reliability and stock for stock the gsr block is better by far. b20 will make more power obviously. a b20z does not pull harder then a b18c1, maybe from 3k-5k rpms but it will be left in the dust in the higher rpms</TD></TR></TABLE>
Bah, i have a lot of 1st experience with both motors, and many others. One of my other cars is a stroked B18C5, it makes 240hp, with the extra torque it makes, its worlds better than a 1.8, especially with the crank i'm running.
Now, as far as quality goes, for a street driven car, i don't think the gsr is any better. Just because a b20 makes power at a lower rpm doesn't make it less quality. Btw, the later B20 like the one i run has an powerful rpm range 2800-6500rpm, not 5k.
There has "never" been an issue with cooling either,not even a hint, remember i speak from experience.
As far as gsr leaving me in the dust, no, i don't think so man, not the generation i'm running in a car that weights 2200 lbs, no p/s, no a/c
well if you are happy with that fine, i'm not talking solely about power. the gsr block has many refinements that makes for a more solid and cooler running block. hands down for reliability and stock for stock the gsr block is better by far. b20 will make more power obviously. a b20z does not pull harder then a b18c1, maybe from 3k-5k rpms but it will be left in the dust in the higher rpms</TD></TR></TABLE>
Bah, i have a lot of 1st experience with both motors, and many others. One of my other cars is a stroked B18C5, it makes 240hp, with the extra torque it makes, its worlds better than a 1.8, especially with the crank i'm running.
Now, as far as quality goes, for a street driven car, i don't think the gsr is any better. Just because a b20 makes power at a lower rpm doesn't make it less quality. Btw, the later B20 like the one i run has an powerful rpm range 2800-6500rpm, not 5k.
There has "never" been an issue with cooling either,not even a hint, remember i speak from experience.
As far as gsr leaving me in the dust, no, i don't think so man, not the generation i'm running in a car that weights 2200 lbs, no p/s, no a/c
03-05-2008, 09:42 PM
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guys guys guys...one is no better then the other..its what you have done to it, time and effort....one will never be better then another...more money you have the faster and better ur car will be...quit arguing...the guy just asked a simple question...keep the thread clean...
03-06-2008, 09:16 AM
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Re: B20 With GSR head (GGcivicEG)
I have a 96 ek hatch that I bought brand new in 96 I have had a b16a3 and two gsr motors in it a 98 and a 2000. I am running a stock B20b with a 00 gsr head 3 angle valve job and type R cams it is by far the best motor setup I have had. I did a obd1 conervsion and am running a p28 tunned with chrome love it.
03-06-2008, 09:34 AM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by GottaB20man »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I have a 96 ek hatch that I bought brand new in 96 I have had a b16a3 and two gsr motors in it a 98 and a 2000. I am running a stock B20b with a 00 gsr head 3 angle valve job and type R cams it is by far the best motor setup I have had. I did a obd1 conervsion and am running a p28 tunned with chrome love it. </TD></TR></TABLE>
yes but if that b20b was a b20z than u would have a killer not just a fast car because of the added compression
shoulda went for the usdm b20z
yes but if that b20b was a b20z than u would have a killer not just a fast car because of the added compression
shoulda went for the usdm b20z
03-06-2008, 09:58 AM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by mouab18c1 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
never heard of such a thing. you should type in b20vtec on search and go to bambam's ls/b20vtec build write up. ask him about it. he should know</TD></TR></TABLE>
short im B20B =
http://www.jdmtigerjapanese.co...id=72
long im B20B =
http://www.jdmtigerjapanese.co...id=66
NOTICE you can actually see the huge difference in manifolds in the pictures
never heard of such a thing. you should type in b20vtec on search and go to bambam's ls/b20vtec build write up. ask him about it. he should know</TD></TR></TABLE>
short im B20B =
http://www.jdmtigerjapanese.co...id=72
long im B20B =
http://www.jdmtigerjapanese.co...id=66
NOTICE you can actually see the huge difference in manifolds in the pictures
03-06-2008, 10:35 AM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Midori Green »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
short im B20B =
http://www.jdmtigerjapanese.co...id=72
long im B20B =
http://www.jdmtigerjapanese.co...id=66
NOTICE you can actually see the huge difference in manifolds in the pictures </TD></TR></TABLE>
thanks for the links..now i know..but ahaha i was jw
short im B20B =
http://www.jdmtigerjapanese.co...id=72
long im B20B =
http://www.jdmtigerjapanese.co...id=66
NOTICE you can actually see the huge difference in manifolds in the pictures
</TD></TR></TABLE>thanks for the links..now i know..but ahaha i was jw
03-06-2008, 10:36 AM
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Re: B20 With GSR head (Midori Green)
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yes but if that b20b was a b20z than u would have a killer not just a fast car because of the added compression shoulda went for the usdm b20z</TD></TR></TABLE>
its not that big of a difference, its like 9 to 9.8. you'd do yourself well to just swap in some ITR spec spark racing pistons
yes but if that b20b was a b20z than u would have a killer not just a fast car because of the added compression
shoulda went for the usdm b20z</TD></TR></TABLE>its not that big of a difference, its like 9 to 9.8. you'd do yourself well to just swap in some ITR spec spark racing pistons
03-06-2008, 10:47 AM
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Re: B20 With GSR head (nate_2k5)
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its not that big of a difference, its like 9 to 9.8. you'd do yourself well to just swap in some ITR spec spark racing pistons</TD></TR></TABLE>
its actually 8.8 to 9.6 which for around the 200 bucks more u pay for the b20z or jdm b20b is great because the usdm b20b lacks hp (126) which the b20z compensates for and also still has the same great torque numbers... i just ordered me a 99-00 spec jdm b20b which is identical to the usdm b20z
its not that big of a difference, its like 9 to 9.8. you'd do yourself well to just swap in some ITR spec spark racing pistons</TD></TR></TABLE>
its actually 8.8 to 9.6 which for around the 200 bucks more u pay for the b20z or jdm b20b is great because the usdm b20b lacks hp (126) which the b20z compensates for and also still has the same great torque numbers... i just ordered me a 99-00 spec jdm b20b which is identical to the usdm b20z
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why
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NO IT DOES NOT! the b16 head is not factory ported, the itr head is. and yes the gsr head has a different combustion chamber design which yields a bump in CR. and of course you can port the gsr head. ppl who swap out a gsr head for a b16 head are retarded as [freak].
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Wait you say no it does not, but then you say it does yield higher compression?
I say use what you can find. Its not always easy to come by a decent b series head for a good price. but anyways I was just pointing out that not everything is in favor of running a b16 head. If compression is already gonna be high then b16 head would def be the choice but if your down around 10:1 then its nice to have an extra .3-.5 so you could run a mild cam or something.
NO IT DOES NOT! the b16 head is not factory ported, the itr head is. and yes the gsr head has a different combustion chamber design which yields a bump in CR. and of course you can port the gsr head. ppl who swap out a gsr head for a b16 head are retarded as [freak].
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Wait you say no it does not, but then you say it does yield higher compression?
I say use what you can find. Its not always easy to come by a decent b series head for a good price. but anyways I was just pointing out that not everything is in favor of running a b16 head. If compression is already gonna be high then b16 head would def be the choice but if your down around 10:1 then its nice to have an extra .3-.5 so you could run a mild cam or something.
03-06-2008, 07:06 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by JeffBro »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
Wait you say no it does not, but then you say it does yield higher compression? I say use what you can find. Its not always easy to come by a decent b series head for a good price. but anyways I was just pointing out that not everything is in favor of running a b16 head. If compression is already gonna be high then b16 head would def be the choice but if your down around 10:1 then its nice to have an extra .3-.5 so you could run a mild cam or something.</TD></TR></TABLE>
i was referring to the part of your post where you inferred the b16 head flows better then the gsr head. and yes i agree, go with the head you can find cheaper unless you are aiming for a specific CR range in which case choose the head that will put you in that range
Wait you say no it does not, but then you say it does yield higher compression?
I say use what you can find. Its not always easy to come by a decent b series head for a good price. but anyways I was just pointing out that not everything is in favor of running a b16 head. If compression is already gonna be high then b16 head would def be the choice but if your down around 10:1 then its nice to have an extra .3-.5 so you could run a mild cam or something.</TD></TR></TABLE>i was referring to the part of your post where you inferred the b16 head flows better then the gsr head. and yes i agree, go with the head you can find cheaper unless you are aiming for a specific CR range in which case choose the head that will put you in that range
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Re: B20 With GSR head
hey guys.
i have done the b20b with vtec gsr head and its an absotule pleasure. mine revs up to 8800rpm every day with no problems whatsover.power figures are 150wkw and 235nm tq.if your looking to do that conversion my advice would be to go ahead and do it.
kind regards.
i have done the b20b with vtec gsr head and its an absotule pleasure. mine revs up to 8800rpm every day with no problems whatsover.power figures are 150wkw and 235nm tq.if your looking to do that conversion my advice would be to go ahead and do it.
kind regards.
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