blykins

my friend has a "95 ITR Spec R" motor. It says "B18C" on the block and 95 on the head. My guess is the motor was made in 95 but for a 96 model JDM ITR. Are motors made b4 the cars? Is this a JDM GSR motor or a real B18C Spec R motor? The computer is a P73 with OBD2 plugs. The tranny has an LSD but no stamp, we verfied the LSD by taking out the axles and looking inside where the axles go in.










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Waruy0i976

yes JDM GSR andITR motors will only say B18C, and that is probably correct about motors built before chassis... i have a 93 Si, the stock head was stamped 92... same with my swap, it's a 93 JDM B16a and the head is stamped 92... now as far as having LSD, you should be able to see right through the casing (i think that's correct). the only thing i can think of to verify that it is a true ITR is to look at the pistons, i'm sure there are some other visual clues too... HTH

Newman

Take the head off (takes 15-20 min) and look at the pistons. If they say P73, then it's a ITR motor (well, it has ITR pistons). Also, the head should say PR3, or PR3-3 or something like that... but it'll say PR3, not P72/P73 (the head).

fowler!

Well, the ecu tells alot too. It says P73 which is the designation for an ITR motor. Check out the head too. See if it says PR3 to the right of the date stamping. That would indicate that it's a B16/ITR head

SIINSI

Sometimes the LSD stamp can wear off, especially if it was profesionally cleaned.

Miguel

blykins

i'll check it out and see.

90accord1

the motor will not be 93 if it says 92, thats a 92 motor, its just that in japan there cars come out in the middle of the year so the sirii's essentailly started out as a 91.5 and so the blocks will be stamped 91 but if you read the month and day of manufacture itll come out somehwere in the area of 91.5.

Gonzo

It'll be real hard, well not to bad but a waste of time to find out if it's a itr motor. But I understand your concern. Just check the easiest signs. Like said before: PR3 head, ITR intake manifold, ITR t/body 62mm, remove head check pistons, remove valve cover check cams, check lost motion assembly (it's stiffer then b16 & b18's) and since it has the ecu and lsd, it should be it.

JDM_DOHC_SiR

Your fine "ALL JDM ITR" blocks say 'ONLY B18C ...don't worry

jdm_latino

correct me if i am wrong.. but i thought that jdm motors didnt have serial numbers???only usdm?

"SPOON EG"

type R motors have a green "stain" near the distributor on the head..... thats how you tell if its a type R motor... CTR's and ITR's have it

blykins

they have serial #'s, just no VIN plate.

91ReXSI

hey where did he get the type r motor and where can i get one for a good price??

SIINSI

Haha, now there's the dead giveaway

Miguel

B18C5-EH2

If you're talking about Juan's motor, then I don't know why you guys just can't accept the fact that it IS a JDM ITR motor.

The question had been asked many times and I've seen the swap in person and I and about 5 other people have already confirmed that it really is a JDM ITR swap.

Larry Jr. doesn't rip people off, and that motor came from I.A.S so that should also help convince you that it's the real deal.

*The above only applies if you're talking about Juan's motor*

Looose_R

look a tthe intake manifold, its an itr

kefka

iTrader: (1)

uh-huh there are tons of clues telling you that that thing is authentic...

blykins

yea thats juans motor were thinking of putting it in my car. I know u got rid of your Si, but i cant afford to buy a CX EH2 now, so it'd go in my car, do u think it'd be worth it???---By the way i ran 15.0@90mph today at reynolds

B18C5-EH2

You got my e-mail Brett. If you are truly stucj with the Si hatch then still go for the ITR swap - mine pulled 13.9, so I think that's a good upgrade from the B16A swap.

blykins

i just emailed u back, and i just got prices(from hparts) on the parts i'll be needing to get the b18c-R into my car and running, i'll try my work and see if my employee discount does anybetter on those parts prices.

Trey

Brett......


We've already been through this

The 96 Spec R, OBDII plugs, was the first ITR in Japan and was introduced in 95.9~ as a 96 Model (from http://www.honda.co.jp ). Of course the motors are going to be built before they are put in a chassis.

The 96 Spec R motors are weak compared to the 98 Spec R. If for nothing else, the tranny gearing and final drives are completely different than the 98 Spec R but you do get the LSD.

That motor will work in your car but keep your B16 harness and ecu and just get it reprogrammed from Kenji.

I'd save your money and just get a short block from a B20 and build that. You have plenty of help around here.

B18C5-EH2

Actually Trey, there was a 1995 Type R. I was checking out the Hyper Rev magazines at my friend's house and they have all the Integras in them, and the years that they were introduced and models, etc. Japan does indeed get model changes a full year before we do, like they got the DA Integras in 1989, the DC in 1993, and the ITR in 1995. And you are right about the 1996 Spec vs. 1998 Spec, but STILL the '96 Spec is a nice motor. Think of it as a USDM ITR motor with slightly higher compression. My 1998 USDM put out as much power as Hurrell's JDM '98 Spec JDM ITR motor too, so I wonder what the hype is about?

Like I've said many times before, the P73 JDM ECU in question is indeed an OBDI program, but has an OBDII style plug. I ran that very ECU in my car with an OBDII jumper harness, and after switching to a kenji-P28 my car definately pulled better and also actually went over 120mph - JDM speed limiters SUCK!

If the deal for trading motors - B16A for B18C(R) is totally FREE, then I say GO for it! You can always build up a B20 block AFTER you trade for the Type R swap. You'll get a getter tranny, LSD, better cylinder head and cams too, so if you still build up a B20 you've got an even better platform to build upon.

It's not every day that someone wants to trade a B16A for a B18C(R), so you'd better do it before Juan's medication wears off

Trey

Regardless of what a magazine says, HONDA has on their website that it was introduced 95.9~ meaning the ninth month of 1995 and still in production.
http://www.honda.co.jp/HOT/ModelData...08a/index.html

There are only two ITR designations:

96 Spec R and a 98 Spec R

Now based on history, whenever a new model comes out in the fall of one year, it's listed as a new model for the next year.

Case in point:

2001 Civic came out in the fall of 2000.


I still don't know why this is so hard to comprehend.



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B18C5-EH2

Well, maybe I'm missing something since I can't read Japanese

Okay, perhaps they are just showing the years that the cars are introduced, and not the actual model year - I'll try to scan the specs from the books to show you how I could have gottne the wrong idea.