PJK

So, Im looking to get a car, either a civic or a prelude. Question is, what should I get? Ill have 11,000$ to spend around the end of june. If I get a civc, Im going to do the swap to a b18c (gsr) and get the complete kit + lsd tranny from hmotorsonline. Also, Ill have free labor from a family friend who has done 2 swaps. If I go with the prelude, Im most likely going to do an engine overhaul, since it will have 150k+ miles; so, Ill have to pay a shop to put in the internals. I've never done anything past bolt ons before. Im looking to *eventually* have 220-250 hp (its gonna be my DD to school and work, 10mi a day). I want whatever I get to be N/A. So, yall are the experts, what do you think I should get and why?

-thanks in advance for any advice!

bleedblue94

its presonal preference depending on what you want from your car.... use the search function on this site ... youll find so much info

SiRek4

get an Eg rolling chassis and go K series.

Libertariat

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Or buy a running whatever civic for $4000 and buy an h2b. And you'll still have enough money left for wheels and a turbo if you feel froggy.

SiRek4

K-series &gt; H2B

Libertariat

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Don't even get me started on how wrong you are.

For 1/3 the cost I get similar wheel horsepower. More displacement, a flatter torque curve. For an HPDE car the b tranny is easier to drive for novice/intermediate drivers, parts are more sourceable, tuning is cheaper and not so much in the "pioneer" stage, won't need to fab the engine bay or get a custom header.

Oh damn I got started.

muhaMan

whats H2B?? is that a H22 motor with a b16 tranny??

Libertariat

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Correct. it's been in theory since 2000-2001 but has really become a hit over the past few years with the manufacturing and production of affordable adapter kits and mounts.

trrbl1bmx

It's all what you want. I'd say save up for a motor with some displacement. IE: K20,K24,H22,F20... something &gt;2.0l of displacement. Plain and simple.

Just for a side note, the only advantage you are going to have over an H series transmission is the availibility of parts for the b series trannys. Rod Shiftlinkage is preference, and durability has nothing to do with it. If you have a motor that makes 250whp and you put a stock tranny to it, yes something will break. IMO H2B is a waste of money unless you are starting out with a shell and have a H22 longblock and a b series tranny sitting around!

Libertariat

why is h2b a waste of money? It can be done for the price of a gsr

SiRek4

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Don't even get me started on how wrong you are.

For 1/3 the cost I get similar wheel horsepower. More displacement, a flatter torque curve. For an HPDE car the b tranny is easier to drive for novice/intermediate drivers, parts are more sourceable, tuning is cheaper and not so much in the "pioneer" stage, won't need to fab the engine bay or get a custom header.

Oh damn I got started. </TD></TR></TABLE>
i was hoping you wouldnt get started and just keep all your non sence to yourself but what can i expect, you always have something to say.

1992cxcivicEG

H22's suck

SiRek4

you can make 250whp with a K20 (type r or s) w/ good header, intake, and k pro. 6 speed tranny is lovely too.
Youll have to fully build a prelude motor to get 250wheel.

welcome doood, i know your gay *** will have something to say

blk_EK

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by PJK &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">So, Im looking to get a car, either a civic or a prelude. Question is, what should I get? Ill have 11,000$ to spend around the end of june. If I get a civc, Im going to do the swap to a b18c (gsr) and get the complete kit + lsd tranny from hmotorsonline. Also, Ill have free labor from a family friend who has done 2 swaps. If I go with the prelude, Im most likely going to do an engine overhaul, since it will have 150k+ miles; so, Ill have to pay a shop to put in the internals. I've never done anything past bolt ons before. Im looking to *eventually* have 220-250 hp (its gonna be my DD to school and work, 10mi a day). I want whatever I get to be N/A. So, yall are the experts, what do you think I should get and why?

-thanks in advance for any advice! </TD></TR></TABLE>

Ok SiRek4, your retarded. Why would this guy waste all his money on that type of motor that him and his family/friend probably can't install. Plus it says that he's gonna be driving 10miles a day so, why would you even try and convince him to spend all that money.

As for the n00b. Save up your money. Get a 92-95 Civic Hatch, swap it out to an LS motor and put a simple turbo kit on it. You can read up in the FI forum where guys are making 250hps on 10psi with an LS engine. Your gonna be saving money and then maybe next year you can pimp out all the high school chicks with a Lexus!

Best of Luck to you

SiRek4

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Ok SiRek4, your retarded. Why would this guy waste all his money on that type of motor that him and his family/friend probably can't install. Plus it says that he's gonna be driving 10miles a day so, why would you even try and convince him to spend all that money.

As for the n00b. Save up your money. Get a 92-95 Civic Hatch, swap it out to an LS motor and put a simple turbo kit on it. You can read up in the FI forum where guys are making 250hps on 10psi with an LS engine. Your gonna be saving money and then maybe next year you can pimp out all the high school chicks with a Lexus!

Best of Luck to you</TD></TR></TABLE>
you cant call someone retarded with such a dumb post.
he wants to make 250whp you ********, oh and if you could read, you would have noticed he wanted an N/A motor. LS turbo counts as F/I dipshit.
FYI, not everyone likes to pimp high school chicks, keep your lame ideas to yourself.

SiRek4

blk_EK, your headlights are gay

JMelt4

Nah, whatcha wants see, is a F-15 Engine....thems ***** gots afterburners!!!!

/awesome thread

PJK

Well, I see this has generated some hostility, sorry for that. But I do appreciate all the comments and advice. I read up on the h22, and for me, k is out of the question, sorry sirek4, thank you for the info though. To blk_ek, ek forever guy, and p00n, i do like the idea of the h22a. Just a few questions about the swap... I read up (steve-0's and amy's threads) and it seems to be a lot more work than the b18c from a gsr? I may be totally off, but thats just how it appeared to me. Also, it appeared that the people doing the swap to an h22a were doing it for drag racing purposes. While I would love to take my car to a track once its all done, there isnt one near me, so I wouldnt go often. Does the h22a swap make for a good dd? What is better about it than the b18c besides more displacement? Also, I dont like how the hood has to be raised to fit the h22a in, can it be avoided?

To ek forever guy, I dont really want a turbo, but I think I need to correct my hp goal, 210-220 with motor, 250 with a wetshot of NOS. Its more affordable and can be hidden from my parents as I can do the install myself and buy the part locally (no credit card used).
To blk_ek: as much as pimping the ladies at my high school goes, it would be quite fun.....however I have a gf, haha. thanks for the help though

x2 for the comments and help


Modified by PJK at 8:39 PM 5/14/2007

bleedblue94

seriously everyone needs to calm the F#ck down... ill never understand why people need to become such dicks in an online forum ... just express your damn opinions and be grown up about it.

GSR_hatch936

get a b18c (gsr) i love mine!!! better then a heavy *** h22!!!! buy a civic so much **** for them!! cant go wrong with that!!!

bleedblue94

just be weary of the "heavy *** h22" comment there was a thread on here where someone actually weighed an ls and an h22 and the h22 was only heavier by i small amount ..... the whole h22 being SUPER heavy thing is way to overblown

punoy69

get a single cam

Libertariat

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H block weighs 30 lbs more than a b block. Relocate your battery or get a cf hood and problem solved.

210whp is easily optainable on a N/a h series.

The ek chassis will require a lot less modding than that of the small bay of the eh2 (del sol)

If you look for some articles in any tuner magazine they editors rant and rave about the new h22 and how it's going to be the top of the new HPDE events becase it's now NHRA approved for track use.

The only issue with having the h22 and b-tranny gearing is getting traction because of actually having torque. Get good tires, you'll need it.

I made a price list for an h2b swap and with misc stuff it totalled ~$4000 done with quality stuff, parts ordered from hmotors and the adapter and mounts ordered direct.

There's no way you can hide a swap from your parents, even for a first timer it probably won't be done in a day or two. If you're just good you can do it in 12-24 hours provided you don't run into any problems and you have some friends helping.

Wiring the h22 isn't anything ahrd either, simpler than some b-series swaps.

to those who don't research all the available swaps for their cars. Don't bash the h2b till you actually know something about it. Ask Jtuned magazine how big their woody's were when they drove an h2b on their local track.

PJK

Oh, I just meant I could hide the NOS, haha. Theyre fine with the swap. Actually, my dad is kind of excited. Hasnt swapped an engine since his old dodge ram in the 80s. So, after doing further research, I'm really thinking the h2b swap is very do-able for me. Just a little confused about exactly what parts are needed.
So far I know:
the evolution kit (id go with the complete)
explicit speed alternator bracket
h22a longblock
valve covers, oil pan, timing cover, intake manifolds, headers
good tires cause this will put a lot of torque.
Is that all?

I want this build: http://www.hondamarketplace.co...06590.

Libertariat

Check out some of the recent h2b threads. Lots of good info and the community of H2bers is very helpful and entertaining.

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x 1,000,000

I can't tell you how many times i've wanted the lnik to the thread for "heavy-*** h22" comments

EDIT: Found it. 30lbs heavier y0 Go on a diet

https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=684550