Noch

but can i see that without taking valve cover off?

Unseen Racer

YES! after googling, yahoo-ing, photobucket-ing, imageshack-ing for quite some time,
i finally found something as close as i can!
http://media.photobucket.com/image/i...ense/vtece.jpg
as you can see the intake valve is open(down) and the springs have tension on them

Unseen Racer

you can see them. but its going to take some time. and i mean TIME.
since you have to get the right angle.
also you never mention what type of engine.

Noch

sry its an LS/VTEC..i just didn't know i could see anything w/out taking the VC off...thanks man....

Unseen Racer

its going to be hard.
this one of those "try and error" things.
but like i stated earlier, it saves you time and frustration by just removing the valve cover.
and your new gasket is re-usable since its still very much new

Noch

okay so yeah its super rough...and won't idle...car tuns off right away when i take the foot off the gas...any ideas where i can start looking at aside from the timing (cause as long as the car turns on then i'm okay right??....i know you mentioned earlier, that it could be the MAP sensor?? what else?

Unseen Racer

just cuz the car turns on does not mean your car is ok.
are you throwing any codes?
and yes. check the map sensor.
could also be your head gasket
https://honda-tech.com/forums/showth...ght=rough+idle

Unseen Racer

can also be your CKP sensor

Noch

i mean "okay" as far as the timing is concerned....but now that you mentioned it, i did see a tiny bit of oil leak. think from the head. Also I should note, it isn't too cold out, and I just put on a new air filter. I did get lots of (white?) smoke when i turned it on....but didn't throw any codes as far as I saw...but i shall check that again in the morn. I don't have a garage to work in and it's mad late.

Unseen Racer

white smoke?
yup. your head gasket is blown.

check your distributor also. it might be too low. try moving it and see if it idles.
but PLEASE, move it with the engine off. haha. either way it has to be off since it doesnt idle.

Noch

hope not the head gasket....blah...i don't want to deal with that...dizzy?...what do you mean too low?? as in unscrew it and shift it?

Unseen Racer

from thread
https://honda-tech.com/forums/showth...5#post37874415

Noch

anyway i can find out?? cause it might be a bit hard trying them all...

brycedue1994

hey i dont know if this is old or not but to time a motor all u need to do is drop ur dip stick down number 1 piston and turn the pully untill engine is top dead center and then turn ur cam gear to where it says up and if its a dohc there is a mark on each side of cam just line them up and throw ur belt on and then just barley turn ur crank pully clock wise just enough to tighten front of belt but not moving cam gears, then tighten the tentioner and done its times but if its back firing still u are on wrong strok. all u need to do for that is lossen tentioner again and pull belt off cams and put dip stick down number one piston turn pull clock wise until piston goes down again and comes back up u will be on the other stroke then put ur belt back on cam gears and tighten tentioner how i explained to do it and done and for some reason still back firing then check ur firing order

tony_2018

1. Why would you need to use a dipstick to measure TDC when the crank has a marking for it plus the lower timing belt cover AS WELL as the oil pump itself.

2. To line the cames get a flat straight edge and line up all the cam makes in 1 straight line using the straight edge as a guide.

3. How the hell can you tell if the thread is old or not. It clearly shows the month/day/year of the each post.

NotARaCist

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7 year old thread. I get that you're trying to help, bryce, but that's the shade tree mechanic way to do it. We generally promote doing things the actual, correct way around here. We also don't bump ancient, dead threads.