dsnONE

whats up everyone? ive got a 93 dx coupe that i have brought back from the dead, it was stolen and crashed. i got the whole body repaired and painted 350z orange. every dent and rust repaired. interior replaced from tan to black/grey.. anywho, as i plan to take care if little details like jdm goodies for the interior im also at a crossroad, do i swap the engine now or later? i have a swapped d16z6 into the dx engine bay. vtec wiring cut and running on a p06 ecu.. i wanted to wire everything back up and get a p28 and see what i could get out of the z6 but ive been searching craigslist and came across a pretty cheap b17.. i know theyre not too popular and i really havent heard much about them, just wanted to know what were some opinions on throwing one into a coupe would be.. are there a good amount of parts available for these engines? (cams, cam gears, valves, springs, pistons etc) because for about $150 a longblock doesnt soud bad at all for a quick little engine upgrade. mind you im not looking to make it an all out track car just something with a little giddy up, but maybe look into going all motor later.. what do u think? all comments welcomed..

iamthefollower

The b17 is just a stroked b16. They both have a Pr3 head and the cams are basically the same, there are just as many parts for it as there are for any other B series engines. If anything you could always say you have the "black sheep" of honda in your car.

97ekjose

An engine for $150 ? Shoot i would be all over that. Just thinking it's already dual cam compared to the d16 is enough to decide me to get it.

dsnONE

thanks guys, and as im doing some research myself i dont see anything that would sway me awayfrom getting it. i think its only right to pair it with a b16 tranny.. maybe an ls crank with itr pistons? that is if i want some speed out of it.. more opinions!

forcefedferio

i would pick it up, even if it's blown up it's probably worth that in parts off of it, especially if the head is good.

Bender C/F

hay man, in my opinion... The history of the car, and all that has gone into it, i think the B17 is the perfect engine for it. Its a rare engine, for (what sounds like) a beautiful car with a story behind it. It may not be the best engine, but its certainly nice.

iamthefollower

can't use an LS crank in this one. The block is the same size as a b16, so if you used the crank and rods from an LS, they would end up coming out the top of the motor.

dsnONE

yea upon further research i did realize that.. lol.. now heres something interesting... i also found a d16z6 complete longblock for $75 just needs a crank pully.. and its also got me thinking.. hm quick in n out swap and i could build my bad one on the side. ive been dying to bring back the sohc turbo for a while lol. oh decisions decisions..

newtron63h

i like the idea of a B17. rare, a bit odd, in fact ill bet there are alot of honda people that have never heard of it cuz its not a B16, B18, B20, Or K. and as far as i know everything except bottom end components are completely compatible with a B16......so you should have no troubles with performance parts. id say I/H/E(non rice), IM, mild cams, throttle body maybe........and you should have a quick, fun daily driver that still gets the honda mileage.

EK TUNER

the B17A1.... Honda's only perfectly square "B" motor(81mmx81mm). FYI, the K20A is also perfectly squre(86x86). If you can pickup the B17 longblock for $150, do it. You can sell your Z6 to pay for the B17. IMHO, starting a project with B is always better than starting with a D.

newtron63h

the F20C is square too..........square though doesnt mean a whole lot.....USUALLY a square engine has similar HP and torque(for example nissans sr20de)......but thats just not how honda does it.........F20C 246hp 160tq, K20 200hp 160tq(139 in the Si.......ewwww), B17 160hp 117tq(im wondering too where the power advantage over the B16 is considering the increased displacement)

im not exactly sure why honda seems to have a fear of torque.........but anyways.........doesnt really matter.

D Griff

I would definitely go with a B17 for $150 over a Z6 for $75. You can build your old single cam on the side regardless and the B is just a better performing motor no matter how you look at it.

EK TUNER

The F20C is actually a slightly oversquare design(87x84). Interesting that, of Honda's high-revving engines, only the F20C and the B16A are oversquare designs. Since traditionally, oversquare engines have high flow, high engine speed, and lower engine stress characteristics. Most of Honda's engines are "strokers" which are very undersquare, a design which is suited to produce good low RPM torque. Then you have the K20A and the B17A1 which are right smack dab in the middle... the Squares!

Also, Honda doesn't neccessarily have a fear of torque. You didn't factor VTEC into the equation when comparing Honda's HP and torque numbers. VTEC adds an additional 30HP(on average) to Honda's engines. But if you compare the torque numbers of Honda's motors, they are on par with Nissan's and Toyota's offerings. It's just that the high HP skews the numbers a little. And, true that the B17A does have the increased displacement, but it also has a lower compression ratio than the B16A(9.7:1 vs 10.2:1). That's probably why there wasn't a power increase from the additional 83 cc's of displacement.

GrenadaEG2

Thats because there are not a lot of them kicking around. US only low production engine. Get it ! B17's are killer stock internal budget boost motors.

dsnONE

i like all the responses thanks for your opinions.. just waiting to hear back from the seller!