1sikhatch

am in the process of buying a swap for my ek i was looking at a b16b swap for a good price, how does this swap compare overall to a integra type r or gsr swap?

DC2-ProdUcTiOnS

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id say equal to the GSR swap but less than the ITR for sure....

IMO

lponcian5799

depends on what you are trying to accomplish, street, track, DD???

b16b are nice just to say you have a CTR swap or i can rev to 9k, but as terms to power possibilities, pretty limited compared to a GSR

DC2-ProdUcTiOnS

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Code---Disp (cc)---------HP--------Torque----Comp---Bore--Stroke---------Found in-------------
B16B----1595---------185@8200--118@7500---10.8:1--81-----77.4------1997-2001 CTR (JDM)

B18C1---1797---------170@7600--128@6200---10.0:1--81----87.2------1994-2001 Integra GSR

B18C5---1797---------195@7800--130@7600---10.6:1--81----87.2------1997-2001 ITR (USDM)
B18C5---1797---------210@8100--130@7600---11.0:1--81----87.2------1997-2001 ITR (JDM)


As you can see, the CTR has more HP than the GSR, but less TQ.....

lponcian5799

power wise, yes

but i assumed the OP is gonna want to do some mods and that's where the B16B falls behind.

JDM_SOHC

id rather build a poorman's R for cheaper and have just as much if not more power in the end... depending on ur goals...

DC2-ProdUcTiOnS

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yes...i agree 100%, the GSR LOVES mods.....plus there are SO many different things you can do with GREAT results...

timsusss

Thanks to all with info. This was helpful for me too!

1sikhatch

thanks alot for the info, i guess ill look for a jdm itr swap. how would i know its a jdm itr swap?

1sikhatch

and wats the difference between the 96-97 spec and the 98+ spec?

Jimster480

98+ Spec has more HP i believe. Def go with the ITR swap tho. GSR's are overrated.

lponcian5799

i actually personally believe it's the other way around, ITR swaps are absolutely beautiful, don't get me wrong, but in the long run, the GSR's potential is far greater, out of the factory, the 98+ spec ITR does have the most power, but because of it's high comp, it's limited in power possibilities, but like i said before, it all depends on what your goals are.

^^^nice sig quote

Jimster480

thx.

I dunno, im just sick of seeing kids with GSR swaps everywhere. And a JDM ITR with 210 HP? thats pretty good all motor power considering its stock. You could put out 220WHP probably with a set of better plugs, a header, intake and possibly a tune. Thats pretty decent all motor. or you could spray a 50 shot in it on top of that. Its high comp so it will be pretty good with NOS.

DC2-ProdUcTiOnS

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Whoa whoa whoa....pass the pipe dude if your trying to say that plugs, header, intake, and a possible tune will make 220whp!!

All cars loose about 12-15% of power transferring from where its measured at the flywheel to when it gets to the wheels....so, lets SAY 13%....

some simple math:

210 x .87 = 182.70

So now lets give the benefit of the doubt and say tonto did an extra nice job on your hand ported head and instead of having 182whp youve got 190whp...(i doubt it)....you will NEVER pick up 30WHP from the most basic mods out there....never

im not bashing, please dont take it that way. I just dont want you to spend $600+ dollars for a tune or think your makin that much power. The mods you have listed arent anything major enough to require a tune. Better spark and a little more air flow will simply just be a little push from behind with some more absolutely memorizing noise coming from under your hood.

Get the ITR swap, put it in with an intake and some plugs...good start...if you get a JDM ITR then dont replace the headers unless there f**ked up...the intake manifold and headers are perfectly port matched from the factory i believe....

NOS =



you know what happens when you put NOs on your car???







put it in, drive it and be happy with it...idk if you have driven this motor but it will rock your world for sure if you havent...GL

Dc2

booboo nation

pooor man all the way!!!

V8 Eater

guys stop looking at hp figures there all very confusing, start looking at KW figures as they are more accurate, you see the hp,bhp,ps are all different and when you compare the jdm 98+ itr to the usdm itr its not actually putting out 15 more hp, its rather only a 5.5 hp difference(146kw vs 150 kw) thats why youll see most sites have considered that difference and rerated the jdm at 200hp which is the correct hp figure for the usdm market!

as for the swap, the b16b is an incredible motor,it loves to rev,its great in endurance races,its output is the highest per lt among b series, but that about where it ends,its expensive,its lacking tq,its not built to run on our shity u.s gas,its got almost no potential in tuning due to the fact that its already pumping out a number soo high and that its using almost every performance upgrade from stock(header,cat,catback,intake manifold,tb,ecu,plugs,pistons are all modified and if modified any futher do not yield any substantial gains).

considering all that,and that a ctr go's for above 3500,an itr above 4k I would have to say your best bet is the jdm gsr(sir-g or whatever) at an average 2.5-3k. its just 3 hp shy of the ctr 183hp but it has alot more tq, a better powerband,more dissplacement therefore more potential specially considering it makes 100hp per lt vs almost 114,its cheaper and not to mention its probably beat on alot less than the ctr!

Farmer89511

Just build a LS vtec...the LS has a 89MM crank and with p30 or JDM type R pistons and good cams you will make the make the power of JDM type R or more...but you have to know what your getting into

thumper64

The B16B and B18C use the same deck height block, but a shorter stroke. I say put high comp pistons in a B18C1 block and a longer stroke crank, plus the CTR head if anything.

Jimster480

its def possible to make that much hp with mods. I didnt feel like going into details with everything. But if you really want my opinion, dont even put a B in there. its way overrated. Build and boost your D for the same price (or easily less) and make way more power. Thats what I did and I dont regret it.
I dunno much about the type R but i just listed some normal upgrades that people do to make more HP NA. ALthough i think NA honda's are worthless. To make any decent power N/A you will sacrifice a nice amount of gas mileage.

Jimster480

a CTR head has a higher CCV so what he would do is take the CTR head internals and put them in a GSR head. That would make more power than a CTR head.

fireblaze2k1

Dude if you found it for a great price get it. Those are rare to get, and you could always flip it if it's not what you want. Plus the tranny is great. Anything bought for a great price, is more money in your pocket if you sell it proper later

Besides if you've never tried it, who knows you might keep it

racebum

cost is the first thing i would look at. with 97 ITR swaps selling for $3500-3600 shipped and the CTR swap around $3400 shipped it's a pretty easy choice to go with more displacement. GSR swaps are still going for $2900ish with the LSD which is only 600 or so less than the ITR. there is no way $600 will get a GSR to ITR power levels with anything besides NAAAWZ. hey. come to think about it, that movie comes out friday

Jimster480

true that.

PhatwhipsJDMkits

i have a B16b in my eg for over a year now with just basic bolt ons and its a blast to drive around. i have a 8 lb flywheel and n1 crank pully rippin it up to 9 grand makes me smile everytime, launching the car sucks, if you can pick one up for a good deal and want a fun daily driver/ autocross car DO IT!

MonkeyMagic

as someone who has done it all, here is what i'd say looking down on it.

UPs: nice gearing in the trans... cheap-o factory LSD... red valve cover.. decent ebayable cams... stock (you don't have to **** with it and it'll be turn-key reliable, especially since your not that much of a technical guy since you asked this)

DOWNs: torqueless... 10000000 rpm before it grows any ***** (and tiny ***** still)... expensive ****... all the 'TYPE ARRR' **** you are paying for will get replaced if you try to get anything more out of it...

but i'm sure you'd enjoy the **** out of it. its a fun motor especially in a lighter car. fun fun fun