b16a2 or h22 i want to swap a new motor in my 98 civic ex
05-21-2007, 02:19 PM
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Re: b16a2 or h22 i want to swap a new motor in my 98 civic ex (h22_crx)
How could someone honestly narrow it down to h22 or a b16?
.6 L of displacement difference.
What can you afford? Are you capable of doing an oil change?
.6 L of displacement difference.
What can you afford? Are you capable of doing an oil change?
05-21-2007, 05:46 PM
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Re: b16a2 or h22 i want to swap a new motor in my 98 civic ex (ek forever guy)
haha hes gotta a point. but it really depends on your budget.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by ek forever guy »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">How could someone honestly narrow it down to h22 or a b16?
.6 L of displacement difference.
What can you afford? Are you capable of doing an oil change?</TD></TR></TABLE>
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by ek forever guy »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">How could someone honestly narrow it down to h22 or a b16?
.6 L of displacement difference.
What can you afford? Are you capable of doing an oil change?</TD></TR></TABLE>
05-21-2007, 05:56 PM
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Re: b16a2 or h22 i want to swap a new motor in my 98 civic ex (slowex98)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by slowex98 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">b16 there is to much balancing issues with the h22</TD></TR></TABLE>
balancing issues huh? wanna explain this to me.
balancing issues huh? wanna explain this to me.
05-21-2007, 06:00 PM
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Re: b16a2 or h22 i want to swap a new motor in my 98 civic ex (dannis.)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by dannis. »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">balancing issues huh? wanna explain this to me.</TD></TR></TABLE>
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Ok so are u a retard a b16 or h22 umm lets see a 1.6l vtec or 2.2vtec 160 or 200 hp 113 tq or 170tq id say h22 y would u post this can u afford h22 lot more exspensive that b series every part is like double the money of a b seires.
05-21-2007, 06:47 PM
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Re: b16a2 or h22 i want to swap a new motor in my 98 civic ex (dannis.)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by dannis. »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
balancing issues huh? wanna explain this to me.</TD></TR></TABLE>
i think he means weight distribution.
The OP...this is a really vague question. What do you plan on doing with the car? Do you want AC? please give more specifics on your application.
The H22 is more powerful (duh), and the same cost. They're both roughly around $2500-2700 bucks for a B16A or a regular H22 (non ETR, and non Type S). The B16 is a bolt in swap, gets better gas mileage, and the bottom end is capable of revving higher with its 77mm stroke. The B16A would also be easier to work on, and im not sure if the H22 has the option of keeping A/C and PS.
So, rocky dannis...give us some more info.
balancing issues huh? wanna explain this to me.</TD></TR></TABLE>
i think he means weight distribution.
The OP...this is a really vague question. What do you plan on doing with the car? Do you want AC? please give more specifics on your application.
The H22 is more powerful (duh), and the same cost. They're both roughly around $2500-2700 bucks for a B16A or a regular H22 (non ETR, and non Type S). The B16 is a bolt in swap, gets better gas mileage, and the bottom end is capable of revving higher with its 77mm stroke. The B16A would also be easier to work on, and im not sure if the H22 has the option of keeping A/C and PS.
So, rocky dannis...give us some more info.
05-21-2007, 07:31 PM
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Re: b16a2 or h22 i want to swap a new motor in my 98 civic ex (B serious)
It's more than possible to keep a/c. A slim fan and creative mounting for the compressor. D series aprts can be utilized.
H only weighs 30 lbs more than a B. So all you b16 owners with sand in your vaginas about the h being ehavier than a b16, get over it. 40 hp and 60 torque over a b16 is going to make up for 30 lbs. If it's that big of a deal, reloavte your battery.
H series parts are about the same as b series parts, people mod preludes too dillhole.
Like i said before, a budget h22 can be done for about the price of the cost of a gsr motor swap from h motors. And that's ordering the adapter direct, and an H motors longblock at 1200.
H only weighs 30 lbs more than a B. So all you b16 owners with sand in your vaginas about the h being ehavier than a b16, get over it. 40 hp and 60 torque over a b16 is going to make up for 30 lbs. If it's that big of a deal, reloavte your battery.
H series parts are about the same as b series parts, people mod preludes too dillhole.
Like i said before, a budget h22 can be done for about the price of the cost of a gsr motor swap from h motors. And that's ordering the adapter direct, and an H motors longblock at 1200.
05-22-2007, 12:26 PM
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Re: b16a2 or h22 i want to swap a new motor in my 98 civic ex (ek forever guy)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by ek forever guy »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">It's more than possible to keep a/c. A slim fan and creative mounting for the compressor. D series aprts can be utilized.
H only weighs 30 lbs more than a B. So all you b16 owners with sand in your vaginas about the h being ehavier than a b16, get over it. 40 hp and 60 torque over a b16 is going to make up for 30 lbs. If it's that big of a deal, reloavte your battery.
H series parts are about the same as b series parts, people mod preludes too dillhole.
Like i said before, a budget h22 can be done for about the price of the cost of a gsr motor swap from h motors. And that's ordering the adapter direct, and an H motors longblock at 1200.
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First off, i hope you didnt just call me a dillhole. If you're calling someone else a dillhole, more power to you.
However, your calculations are off by a bit.
40hp? 170hp vs 195-200hp = 25-30 hp.
60tq? 113lb/ft vs. 161lb/ft = 48LB/FT.
H only weighs 30 lbs more than a B. So all you b16 owners with sand in your vaginas about the h being ehavier than a b16, get over it. 40 hp and 60 torque over a b16 is going to make up for 30 lbs. If it's that big of a deal, reloavte your battery.
H series parts are about the same as b series parts, people mod preludes too dillhole.
Like i said before, a budget h22 can be done for about the price of the cost of a gsr motor swap from h motors. And that's ordering the adapter direct, and an H motors longblock at 1200.
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First off, i hope you didnt just call me a dillhole. If you're calling someone else a dillhole, more power to you.
However, your calculations are off by a bit.
40hp? 170hp vs 195-200hp = 25-30 hp.
60tq? 113lb/ft vs. 161lb/ft = 48LB/FT.
05-22-2007, 12:35 PM
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B16A2 is rated at 160HP at the crank, not 170. It's a torque less wonder. If it would have been an option when I bought my EM1 back in 2000 I would have opted for the H22. 30-40 lbs difference. Whoopdy doo. I've taken bigger ***** than that.
The extra power and torque far outweigh the "extra weight". Hell, most of you guys run more stereo equipment in your cars than 30 lbs worth.
I own an EM1 and have owned an H22 powered 'lude. The H22 has no problem powering the lude around with a quickness. "Low" RPM power off the line>having to rev the **** out of the engine to get going at a decent pace.
Gimme the lude engine any day.
The extra power and torque far outweigh the "extra weight". Hell, most of you guys run more stereo equipment in your cars than 30 lbs worth.
I own an EM1 and have owned an H22 powered 'lude. The H22 has no problem powering the lude around with a quickness. "Low" RPM power off the line>having to rev the **** out of the engine to get going at a decent pace.
Gimme the lude engine any day.
05-22-2007, 12:37 PM
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Re: b16a2 or h22 i want to swap a new motor in my 98 civic ex (h22_crx)
Big comparisons in the two motors, But it all depends what your goal is with either motor, are you going drag? auto-x? circuit racing? street racing? etc. Weight and power ratio will play a factor in your goals as well. Do you got the greens for the setup you want to achieve?
05-22-2007, 08:56 PM
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Re: b16a2 or h22 i want to swap a new motor in my 98 civic ex (h22_crx)
b16 160 bhp, not 170.
Look at stock b16 dyno's, and stock h2b dynos, my numbers are well within close.
b16 160 hp 113 tq
h22 200 hp 160tq
That looks like 40 hp and 47 torque to me homeslice.
A dyno will show you the **** for a torque curve the b16 has.
Look at stock b16 dyno's, and stock h2b dynos, my numbers are well within close.
b16 160 hp 113 tq
h22 200 hp 160tq
That looks like 40 hp and 47 torque to me homeslice.
A dyno will show you the **** for a torque curve the b16 has.
05-22-2007, 08:57 PM
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Re: b16a2 or h22 i want to swap a new motor in my 98 civic ex (h22_crx)
05-22-2007, 09:00 PM
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Re: b16a2 or h22 i want to swap a new motor in my 98 civic ex (slowex98)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by slowex98 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> https://www.tigerjapanese.com/index.php?cPath=42 </TD></TR></TABLE>
If you want a busted motor and shitty customer service, go ahead.
If you want to go cheap, go to a junkyard or roder from Hmotors. Hmotors has very competitive prices and you get killer customer service and you know you're getting good stuff.
Sohfast.com
importautosalvage.com
are also good places to buy motors from.
If you want a busted motor and shitty customer service, go ahead.
If you want to go cheap, go to a junkyard or roder from Hmotors. Hmotors has very competitive prices and you get killer customer service and you know you're getting good stuff.
Sohfast.com
importautosalvage.com
are also good places to buy motors from.
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Re: b16a2 or h22 i want to swap a new motor in my 98 civic ex (dannis.)
what I ment was when you put a heavier engine in the front of the car it will affect the way the car responds to the way you drive it
05-22-2007, 09:06 PM
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Re: b16a2 or h22 i want to swap a new motor in my 98 civic ex (slowex98)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by slowex98 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">what I ment was when you put a heavier engine in the front of the car it will affect the way the car responds to the way you drive it </TD></TR></TABLE>
30lbs wont do **** holmes.
If it worries anyone they can relocate their battery or get a cf hood.
it's not like the h22 is made of Iron. I can't believe how many people I've heard saying the h22 was anywhere between 70 and 250 lbs heavier than a b-series.
30lbs wont do **** holmes.
If it worries anyone they can relocate their battery or get a cf hood.
it's not like the h22 is made of Iron. I can't believe how many people I've heard saying the h22 was anywhere between 70 and 250 lbs heavier than a b-series.
05-23-2007, 05:44 AM
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Re: b16a2 or h22 i want to swap a new motor in my 98 civic ex (H Twenty Teg)
And if you go h2b, the 30lbs can be taken down 5-6 lbs because the b tranny's are a little lighter.
But either way, adding that much weight up there doesn't really make a noticeable difference. Like said before, if you really think it's a problem a CF hood or relocated battery is a quick fix.
But either way, adding that much weight up there doesn't really make a noticeable difference. Like said before, if you really think it's a problem a CF hood or relocated battery is a quick fix.
05-23-2007, 06:25 AM
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Re: b16a2 or h22 i want to swap a new motor in my 98 civic ex (ek forever guy)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by ek forever guy »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">And if you go h2b, the 30lbs can be taken down 5-6 lbs because the b tranny's are a little lighter.
But either way, adding that much weight up there doesn't really make a noticeable difference. Like said before, if you really think it's a problem a CF hood or relocated battery is a quick fix.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Thats what I was going to say. Go H2B if you do anything. Less weight and the gearing on a B series tranny is much better than an H series tranny. The only problem then is hood clearance. If I was going all motor and had the money I would def. get an H2B.
But either way, adding that much weight up there doesn't really make a noticeable difference. Like said before, if you really think it's a problem a CF hood or relocated battery is a quick fix.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Thats what I was going to say. Go H2B if you do anything. Less weight and the gearing on a B series tranny is much better than an H series tranny. The only problem then is hood clearance. If I was going all motor and had the money I would def. get an H2B.
05-23-2007, 06:34 AM
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Re: b16a2 or h22 i want to swap a new motor in my 98 civic ex (ek forever guy)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by ek forever guy »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">And if you go h2b, the 30lbs can be taken down 5-6 lbs because the b tranny's are a little lighter.
But either way, adding that much weight up there doesn't really make a noticeable difference. Like said before, if you really think it's a problem a CF hood or relocated battery is a quick fix.</TD></TR></TABLE>
x2...30lbs aint much or less due to the b-series tranny, just imagine when your always leaning or sitting on the front end or anywhere in the engine region when hangin out at friends or at a meet or even working on the engine. Your body weight thats pushing down on the front end is surely 25lbs or a bit more. Even if your not remotely aware that leaning your body weight on the car is not going to do any harm, which you do all the time when working on your car, what does it matter if your driving with that amount of weight. Also having passengers in the car, they surely weight more then 30lbs and why aren't people complaining about that, ya know?
But either way, adding that much weight up there doesn't really make a noticeable difference. Like said before, if you really think it's a problem a CF hood or relocated battery is a quick fix.</TD></TR></TABLE>
x2...30lbs aint much or less due to the b-series tranny, just imagine when your always leaning or sitting on the front end or anywhere in the engine region when hangin out at friends or at a meet or even working on the engine. Your body weight thats pushing down on the front end is surely 25lbs or a bit more. Even if your not remotely aware that leaning your body weight on the car is not going to do any harm, which you do all the time when working on your car, what does it matter if your driving with that amount of weight. Also having passengers in the car, they surely weight more then 30lbs and why aren't people complaining about that, ya know?