Luserkid

I am looking into dropping a B16a into my 93dx sometime around Jan./Feb. and i was also thinking of boosting and maybe some juice to reach my goal (12 sec. full interior daily drive).... so what i was wondering is for you guys that boost/squeeze your B16s how much boost do you put into it and how much can it hold? thanx

ahcjar103

18 lbs. on stock block. no problem.

nsxmatt

Don't be a tool, answer the question right or keep your mouth shut.

Kamin

******* assclown. dont be stupid. he wasnt a smart ***, his question was valid, that response wasnt needed.

anyway, if your going for 12's you mught be able to push 10psi at the track (with a GOOD fuel setup and GOOD tuning) but i wouldnt daily drive it at 10psi.. more like 7. 10psi with some slicks should put you in the 12's.
as for nitrous with turbo, the only thing i would really run is the "sneaky pete" 35shot to help the turbo spool faster.

expect to spend about 4000-4500 with tuning and dyno time. thats just on the turbo setup.

brian b

actully you can run 18psi without problems if its tuned properly. i ran about that for 8 months before i pumped the evil tank of citgo gas. look at the dyno chart below, its from a stock ls motor running 20psi

Tofurky

what are the mods to the LS, and was this race gas?
and the b16's aren't as forgiving as the B18b's & a's. and he said daily driven.
but sure, you can run any amount of boost, once.

don't worry about the nitrous, you won't be needing it with the turbo. especially if you're just aiming for 12's...

ditch the b16 idea and look into gsr motors - unless of course money is a huge problem.
Hatch+B18C1+T3T4 @ 10psi+Tuned Hondata+Good Tires= 12's

nsxmatt

He could do 12's with a drag kit on a LS motor in a gutted EG hatch with good tires couldn't he? Some drag boosted LS Tegs are running low 13's and that is a much cheaper setup.

TruePlayaz114

you don't need to boost that much to get in the 12's. Damn not to be a dick or anything but it must suck to boost 20PSI and not even get 300whp. If you boost let's say 10 PSI with a good setup you'll get 12's easily. It's just gonna cost you

Tofurky

yeah definately. 12 psi on a stock LS, hondata tuned, other minor goodies.. easy high 12's
stay away from the drag kits though. but if you can't resist, at least ditch out their manifold for something nicer.

Loco Honkey

I was thinking the same thing... Must be a tiny turbo or a bunk setup.

brian b

your the reason i don't post outside of the f/i forum.. theres a reason why this car runs 290hp every day on pump gas, think about it.

my stock b16a ran 300hp for 8 months without any problems

and heres a time slip from this car running on nitto 450's and then gforce ta drag radials

maxim

You might as well ditch the turbo as well, Turbonetics turbos are crap.

Ruckus, you comment about ditching the B16 is not entirely correct. The B16 is a reliable engine to boost, no it will not give the highest hp/tq numbers but it will be reliable. The chambers on the B16 head are far better for flow than the B18C1s. The rod/stroke ratio on the B16 is closer to 1.75 than any other Honda engine, therefore making it more reliable. No need for a block girdle on the B16(you would need to do this with the B18s) and no need for tapping oil squiters in for the B18b/a's. You can overbore the cylinders to increase displacement. Not positive, but I think using 84mm pistons will bring the B16 close to 1.797 which would help it in the torque department, which is IMO better than hp for straight line racing.


[Modified by maxim, 2:24 PM 12/3/2002]

Jet Phi

Nice !

chad

1.8 lbs maybe.....there is no way you are doing 18 lb of boost daily on a stock honda block!!!! trust me i know!

Luserkid

see money is a problem for me so im sticking with the B16 and from what everyone is saying, then its not hard to hit my 12 sec. goal. but one problem might be that i might enter the car in shows and stuff so ill be weighted down by a system, and the car is a coupe, thats why i was asking about the Nos. what turbo do you guys use for your B16s? i was thinking of using HKS t3/t4, any one here use that??


[Modified by Luserkid, 8:36 PM 12/3/2002]

maxim

HKS makes a hybrid turbo?? Besides, HKS is not for budget racers.

My suggestion is to look into getting a IHI turbo(like in the scubbies) or Apexi kit, TDO5 - 18G from a Greddy, or maybe a Garrett t3/t04e. I have heard that the Turbonetics turbos have the guts of a Garrett turbo, it just depends on who puts them together.

Luserkid

I thought it was HKS that makes a hybrid turbo, but i might be wrong, but i did hear that HKS turbo is good.

Tofurky

you guys seem to be missing the torque on that dyno graph too... 272!!!!

but yeah, with the right tuning, you can do a lot.

what turbo was this with? and what was the downpipe/exhaust sizes?

maxim

Yes, HKS turbos are amongst the best. Just pricey though and I don't know of any Honda people using them for street use.

To my knowledge only Garrett and Turbonetics makes hybrid turbos. {shrug}

Tofurky

HKS turbos are very pricey... there's a guy in Santa Barbara with one on his sohc civic. I think his name on this board is PornstaR or something like that.

Luserkid

Hey could some of you guys that have B16a and turbo in a 92-95 civic post some pics so i could see how much space the engine bay well have with it in. Thanks

Kamin

um turbonetics buys the parts from garret and puts the turbo together themselves.
they arent that bad.

maxim

Yeah, thats what I said. Putting them together seems to be the problem for Turbonetics.

Which would explain why 5 out of 5 people that I know personally, not including me, have sent the Turbonetics turbos to get reworked by Majestic. Yes, turbonetics turbos are crap. This may contradict the misinformation that gets passed around this site from one ignorant person, so I appologize for going against false message board info.

Get a Garrett or a Greddy, save yourself a headache.





[Modified by maxim, 12:53 PM 12/4/2002]

nwarp

close friend of mine is running a boosted 1.6 revhard stage 3 turbo on gsr tranny practicaly stock 1.6 head all it has is type R innner valve springs, a sleeved fully built b16a gen 2 block all the bolt ons etc. best et to date is 12.3 on 8 lbs slicked out of course, hes pushing around 320 hp to the wheels. this is in a 98 ek btw daily driven with full interrior

good luck with your project btw


[Modified by pr0n, 7:02 PM 12/4/2002]

ahcjar103

um, i was answering the question seriously. obviously you haven't boosted.

sure, you can get more reliable, but tune it and give it the most important part, FUEL, and you can do it fine. we have 720's running and apex power fc, and run 18 lbs on stock b16's. current setup running this has been running for 1 year strong, no blowby, etc.

besides, b16 blocks are like 150 bucks. what's the big deal.

maybe i should get senato and callos in here. they could tell you some stuff.