chuniepatuni

ok guys my brother has a 92 civic cx hatchback. he wants a new motor either one of the two.... i said b16 because it is cheaper and will save him money and he will be putting alot more miles on it and it will have better gas mileage(i made the gas mileage up because i really dont know). Ok i know im gonna get flamed but w/e im doing it for my brother... Also for the b16 swap i came out with about 3000 bucks to do the whole swap... thats includeing renting a cherry picker and hasport mounts.. and he wnats a gauge cluster too so i added that.. shpping wont be a problem because we live in socal by all the good motor shops... Were doing it out self and were gonna need help along the way. I just wanted to know what were going to need... like if we need a new ecu? new axles (hmotorsonline.com comes with stock ones), um new cable linkage things... and etc etc.... just please dont falme i dont want to look through the 98157957158971295 results so please just help a fellow ht memeber out.. well actually 2.. lol thanks alot guys... now i gotta get to bed for school...

Charlie Pastick


i know im gonna get flamed!

Terrible One

if you get the complete changeovers, it'll have everything you need

Targa250R

LS1 turbo.

HatchEh2

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haha, be careful what you wish for.... lol

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CORRECT

B18c def makes more power and torque...and has more potential. but i still like the B16a

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i said b16 because it is cheaper and will save him money and he will be putting alot more miles on it and it will have better gas mileage</TD></TR></TABLE>

INCORRECT, the b16 tranny is WAAAY shorter than the GSR's (b18c) so on the high way, youll be at a higher rpm, therefore burning more gas. Also the B16 head is a bit more aggressive... so that 'might' play a role in the fuel burning too.

youngwon22

dont worry about flames... they only come from flamers haha
anywho, lets assume that the b18c you're talking about is the obd1 GSR motor..
yes, b16 will be cheap but for many civics (especially hatchs) will be superior with b18c motor. So if the price between the two swaps isn't much and you can afford it, go with the gsr.

2nd, you will need axles from a DA (early integras) or whatever you can get, obd1 ecu, and the basics
You can order from hmotorsonline.com or just look it up for all the parts you need because they come with everything you'll need for a swap.
Make sure you don't break anything when you do the swap yourself and have plenty of beers and pizza ready!

youngwon22

o btw, i'd personally go with be b16 since you have a very light car, and its better for boost due to shorter strokes

Terrible One

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by HatchEh2 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
haha, be careful what you wish for.... lol


CORRECT

B18c def makes more power and torque...and has more potential. but i still like the B16a

INCORRECT, the b16 tranny is WAAAY shorter than the GSR's (b18c) so on the high way, youll be at a higher rpm, therefore burning more gas. Also the B16 head is a bit more aggressive... so that 'might' play a role in the fuel burning too.</TD></TR></TABLE>

actually, b16's has the same 1st, 2nd, & 3rd gears as the gsr, just 4th & 5th are shorter

B18C EG2

wtf on the DA axles....

or are 92 civic's cable clutch?

i was always under the impression 92-00 civics were ALL hydro...therefore you would need any 94-00 DC axles for both sides..


but anyways yes just buy a complete crossover and you'll be golden....doesn't really seem like this guy cares about this CX being fast so just opt for the b16...its a good motor and will take your beating i'm sure..

i look forward to you posting threads that have been covered for years now..

DelSolMarine

i got my b18c from hmotoronlines... the complete swap with LSD if u dont get the lsd and u want ur ac ull need the ac bracket for an extra 100 bucks so ur lookin at around 3500 for everything and if u can put it in urself ur golden... just ask for steve at hmotors hell hook u up he hooked me up

Syndacate

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thats includeing renting a cherry picker
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What the heck is a cherry picker, swapped quite a few engines..never used a cherry picker...I've heard hte term thrown around on HT, dunno what it is, not meaning to jack ur thread...but a new thread about what it is would be kinda useless, anybody wanna enlighten me?

EFvtec Yo!

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What the heck is a cherry picker, swapped quite a few engines..never used a cherry picker...I've heard hte term thrown around on HT, dunno what it is, not meaning to jack ur thread...but a new thread about what it is would be kinda useless, anybody wanna enlighten me?</TD></TR></TABLE>

Cherry picker = Engine Hoist

chuniepatuni

thanks everyone!

-Gary-

No problem, that'll be $40.

Syndacate

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Cherry picker = Engine Hoist</TD></TR></TABLE>

Oh, hehe, yeah, I've used cherry pickers just about every time when removing a honda (or any 4 banger) motor... Didn't know they were called cherry pickers though...they do not say cherry picker on the side..or at least the one in my friend's garage doesn't...and all this time I called it an engine hoist &gt;.&lt;

Sandmaggot

I suggest reading all those results you found in the search. The more knowledge you have the easier this experience will go.

youngwon22

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Stupid EK &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">wtf on the DA axles....

or are 92 civic's cable clutch?

i was always under the impression 92-00 civics were ALL hydro...therefore you would need any 94-00 DC axles for both sides..

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o yeah thats right.. whew! thank you mr douche bag for correcting me.
so no, you can't use those axles, i was thinkin of crx's

axtran

screw the searching, go to the stick on top of the '92-00 civic page! that helped me. i recently put my GSR in and i think it was a good decision. B16 kinda had no torque (tried a friend's) but was also fun.. i think in the end it's just your driving style.

likenother

You know, I don't get the whole B16 has no torque argument. A SiR-II B16a makes 9 less pounds of torque than a GSR B18C1 does while making the same HP(Ok, so its a JDM B16 and a USDM GSR motor, none the less). I don't know about you, but 9 pounds of torque doesn't seem to be enough for the $1000 price tag difference(prices from Hmotorsonline)

ok im done, you can have your thread back now.

db8gsr_teg

a b16a is alright but a b18c1 is even better. I smoke my friend hatch with the b16 i/h/e like a good 5-6 car length with my gsr hatch

Shake and Bake

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Is it true that if you dont get lsd you cant use the ac?

Terrible One

H22A Complete Changeover $2,199 + shipping
http://www.hmotorsonline.com/s...30016

best bang for the buck imo, 200hp 161tq, cheaper than the sir2 and sirg swaps, isn't anymore difficult than the b swaps + a little cutting of the chassis, if you dont like the h tranny the h2b option is there

Targa250R

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by likenother &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">You know, I don't get the whole B16 has no torque argument. A SiR-II B16a makes 9 less pounds of torque than a GSR B18C1 does while making the same HP(Ok, so its a JDM B16 and a USDM GSR motor, none the less). I don't know about you, but 9 pounds of torque doesn't seem to be enough for the $1000 price tag difference(prices from Hmotorsonline)</TD></TR></TABLE>
Where did you learn math?

A B18C1 makes 128 lb-ft @ 6200 RPM. A JDM 2nd-gen B16A makes 116 lb-ft @ 7300 RPM. That's a difference of 12 lb-ft, not 9. That's 10% more torque available 1100 RPM sooner in the rev range, and significantly more area under the curves.

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They have nothing to do with each other.

cpekz

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Who told you that?

my94dx

there are two ways to go. yes the b16 is cheaper but the b18 puts out more horsepower. there are things you can do to each. i have a b18c1 block with a b16a1 head because the b18c5 is rare to find. plus if you read honda tuning mag, they just put out a two part how to on putting a jackson racing superccharger on th gsr (b18c1). so that should help you decide.

Shake and Bake

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Terrible One &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">H22A Complete Changeover $2,199 + shipping
http://www.hmotorsonline.com/s...30016

best bang for the buck imo, 200hp 161tq, cheaper than the sir2 and sirg swaps, isn't anymore difficult than the b swaps + a little cutting of the chassis, if you dont like the h tranny the h2b option is there</TD></TR></TABLE>

So why does everyone want a b18c then, if the H is a grand less with more power????