b16a or b18c
11-16-2006, 07:27 AM
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b16a or b18c
im trying to find which one would be better for all motor setup for my eg...they both have high compresion....but i heard the b16 head flows better and it has type r internal...on hmotorsonline.com the b16a long block is 900 and the b18c is 1799 any help on this would be great thanks
11-16-2006, 07:35 AM
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Re: b16a or b18c (buffgsr)
GS-R hands down, no contest.
I've owned both a B16A and B18C1, and the B18c1 is a lot better platform from the get-go.
My B16A dyno'd 143whp/102 torque - the B18C1 150whp/122 torque and had a much fatter powerband that wasn't so peaky.
...and the B16A does not have "Type R internals" and the heads on a stock B16A and B18C1 flow nearly the same.
I've owned both a B16A and B18C1, and the B18c1 is a lot better platform from the get-go.
My B16A dyno'd 143whp/102 torque - the B18C1 150whp/122 torque and had a much fatter powerband that wasn't so peaky.
...and the B16A does not have "Type R internals" and the heads on a stock B16A and B18C1 flow nearly the same.
11-16-2006, 07:38 AM
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11-16-2006, 07:45 AM
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Re: b16a or b18c (type B16)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by type B16 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">http://s97.photobucket.com/alb...h.flv
my "b16"</TD></TR></TABLE>
Dyno figures? 1/4 mile times? Modifications? Price list for said mods?
Just curious.
my "b16"</TD></TR></TABLE>
Dyno figures? 1/4 mile times? Modifications? Price list for said mods?
Just curious.
11-16-2006, 07:48 AM
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Re: b16a or b18c (B18C5-EH2)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by B18C5-EH2 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
Dyno figures? 1/4 mile times? Modifications? Price list for said mods?
Just curious.</TD></TR></TABLE>
no dyno, no 1/4 time, intake and exhaust
Dyno figures? 1/4 mile times? Modifications? Price list for said mods?
Just curious.</TD></TR></TABLE>
no dyno, no 1/4 time, intake and exhaust
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11-16-2006, 08:00 AM
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Re: (type B16)
B18C5 has Type R internals...
The C1 head has the smallest combustion chamber, but the B16A uses the same head as the Type R.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by B18C5-EH2 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">GS-R hands down, no contest.</TD></TR></TABLE>
The C1 head has the smallest combustion chamber, but the B16A uses the same head as the Type R.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by B18C5-EH2 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">GS-R hands down, no contest.</TD></TR></TABLE>
11-16-2006, 09:41 AM
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Re: (EH6TunerDaniel)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by EH6TunerDaniel »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">B18C5 has Type R internals...
The C1 head has the smallest combustion chamber, but the B16A uses the same head as the Type R.
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Correct me if I'm wrong (I am pretty buzzed, but isn't the C5 a Type R?) <TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by B18C5-EH2 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">GS-R hands down, no contest.
I've owned both a B16A and B18C1, and the B18c1 is a lot better platform from the get-go.
My B16A dyno'd 143whp/102 torque - the B18C1 150whp/122 torque and had a much fatter powerband that wasn't so peaky.
...and the B16A does not have "Type R internals" and the heads on a stock B16A and B18C1 flow nearly the same.
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I didn't think that there was that much of a difference in tq #'s. I knew that the hp figures were close, but the tq #'s being so different was a surprise,
-Shane
The C1 head has the smallest combustion chamber, but the B16A uses the same head as the Type R.
</TD></TR></TABLE>Correct me if I'm wrong (I am pretty buzzed, but isn't the C5 a Type R?) <TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by B18C5-EH2 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">GS-R hands down, no contest.
I've owned both a B16A and B18C1, and the B18c1 is a lot better platform from the get-go.
My B16A dyno'd 143whp/102 torque - the B18C1 150whp/122 torque and had a much fatter powerband that wasn't so peaky.
...and the B16A does not have "Type R internals" and the heads on a stock B16A and B18C1 flow nearly the same.
</TD></TR></TABLE>
I didn't think that there was that much of a difference in tq #'s. I knew that the hp figures were close, but the tq #'s being so different was a surprise,
-Shane
11-16-2006, 09:43 AM
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Re: b16a or b18c (nine78guy)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by nine78guy »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">if you want to hear mad crazy vtec, go with the b16...loudest vtec engagement eva hands down, but its weak...</TD></TR></TABLE>
WTF are you talking about "loudest VTEC" - are you fuucking kidding, or what?
"Loud VTEC" has everything to do with the type if intake, exhaust, VTEC engagement, and camshafts. Now I'll give you that if the B18C1 has the stock dual butterfly intake its VTEc will be quiter than a B16A, but to say the B16A has the "loudest VTEC eva" is silly given that an ITR engine is certainly louder given everything lese is the same in terms of intake, exhuast, etc. Let's also not forget that displacement also plays into how loud the engine will be, and 1797cc beats 1595cc all day, every day.
BTW:
I've owned a B16A2 and B18C5 at the exact same time in two different hatches, and both engines had the same AEM CAI, DC header, and Tanabe exhaust and the ITR was definately louder hands down - not that the noise should even matter anways...
WTF are you talking about "loudest VTEC" - are you fuucking kidding, or what?
"Loud VTEC" has everything to do with the type if intake, exhaust, VTEC engagement, and camshafts. Now I'll give you that if the B18C1 has the stock dual butterfly intake its VTEc will be quiter than a B16A, but to say the B16A has the "loudest VTEC eva" is silly given that an ITR engine is certainly louder given everything lese is the same in terms of intake, exhuast, etc. Let's also not forget that displacement also plays into how loud the engine will be, and 1797cc beats 1595cc all day, every day.
BTW:
I've owned a B16A2 and B18C5 at the exact same time in two different hatches, and both engines had the same AEM CAI, DC header, and Tanabe exhaust and the ITR was definately louder hands down - not that the noise should even matter anways...
11-16-2006, 09:47 AM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by nighttrain33 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
I didn't think that there was that much of a difference in tq #'s. I knew that the hp figures were close, but the tq #'s being so different was a surprise,
-Shane</TD></TR></TABLE>
...and also don't just focus on peak numbers either. Stock for stock a B18C1 will make sooo much more power under the entire curve over a B16A it's not even funny. A B16A doesn't begin to pull well until you've stretched it out past 6500rpm or so - the B18C1 starts to pull well at 4500rpm and up because of the lower VTEC engagement, displacement advantage, and intake manfold design.
I didn't think that there was that much of a difference in tq #'s. I knew that the hp figures were close, but the tq #'s being so different was a surprise,
-Shane</TD></TR></TABLE>
...and also don't just focus on peak numbers either. Stock for stock a B18C1 will make sooo much more power under the entire curve over a B16A it's not even funny. A B16A doesn't begin to pull well until you've stretched it out past 6500rpm or so - the B18C1 starts to pull well at 4500rpm and up because of the lower VTEC engagement, displacement advantage, and intake manfold design.
11-16-2006, 10:02 AM
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To the OP...it really depends on your budget and what you want. I opted for the B16b for a few reasons that i dont need to get into right now mainly cause i have a bunch of money to build it the way i want it. However they are correct there is no torque in a b16 and a GSR is a nice platform to work from for any budget. As far as VTEC cross over loudness...im going to go with the B16B CTR motor.
11-16-2006, 05:35 PM
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Re: (nighttrain33)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by nighttrain33 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
Correct me if I'm wrong (I am pretty buzzed, but isn't the C5 a Type R?) </TD></TR></TABLE>
Yeah, it is, but he said something about Type R internals, and I was mentioning he could get them if he got a C5, because it is a Type R.
Correct me if I'm wrong (I am pretty buzzed, but isn't the C5 a Type R?) </TD></TR></TABLE>
Yeah, it is, but he said something about Type R internals, and I was mentioning he could get them if he got a C5, because it is a Type R.
11-16-2006, 06:34 PM
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Re: (EH6TunerDaniel)
The b16 heads flow marginally better, but the b18c1 has 15% more displacement, bigger cams, and IAB's, which actually DO work. If you're making an all-out DRAG car, then the type-r manifold will work better than a c1 with IAB's - once it passes the 7500 rpm mark.
For an exciting daily driver, the b18c1 is your best bet. If you tool around like a grandma, a b20 with an LS trans will be better.
For an exciting daily driver, the b18c1 is your best bet. If you tool around like a grandma, a b20 with an LS trans will be better.
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