B16 Vs D16
11-13-2007, 05:53 PM
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B16 Vs D16
i have located two blocks.. and seem to be in the middle of them.. i want the D16 so when i race someone and beat them ill have that much more respect for my car because it just beat a DOHC and its SOHC..
but then i want the B16 for the amount of power able to be made there..
price cant be a deciding factor as i have found both blocks for the same price..
what ever motor i end up doing it will end up being boosted and hopefully making about 300 HP but then i am aiming higher.. this will be a brand new parts build on either motor.. so i need your help!
The motor will be put in a 94 del sol S
but then i want the B16 for the amount of power able to be made there..
price cant be a deciding factor as i have found both blocks for the same price..
what ever motor i end up doing it will end up being boosted and hopefully making about 300 HP but then i am aiming higher.. this will be a brand new parts build on either motor.. so i need your help!
The motor will be put in a 94 del sol S
11-13-2007, 06:29 PM
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Re: B16 Vs D16 (96 EX)
well i was thiking about building the b16 for boost.. as it will be a road course car.. and a DD .. basically i want the power there when i need it.. as to why i was thinking the B16.. and acctully im in the process of folling (ehow) site on how to make decsions... its looking like im buying both.. dang site didnt help me make the choice..
11-14-2007, 07:03 AM
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Re: B16 Vs D16 (confucioussae)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by confucioussae »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> http://www.ehow.com/how_3838_make-decisions.html 
</TD></TR></TABLE> lmao..... yeah but b16-t ftw
</TD></TR></TABLE> lmao..... yeah but b16-t ftw
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11-14-2007, 07:28 AM
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Re: B16 Vs D16 (projekt-sol)
Don't forget that with the B16A you'll also need:
Tranny
Axles
Shift linkage
Mounts
Throttle cable
Radiator hoses
etc.etc.etc.
A B16A will cost a **** ton more than what you're thinking it will. Price is ALWAYS a factor no matter how people say it isn't. Either buy complete B16A swap package for upwards of $2,200.00 or more.
Tranny
Axles
Shift linkage
Mounts
Throttle cable
Radiator hoses
etc.etc.etc.
A B16A will cost a **** ton more than what you're thinking it will. Price is ALWAYS a factor no matter how people say it isn't. Either buy complete B16A swap package for upwards of $2,200.00 or more.
11-14-2007, 08:40 AM
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D SERIES!!!! ****** sexy... specially in a sol.... i beat b16a sols with my d series del sol... but i have some **** done to it... but seriously the z6 is the strongest d series honda has!! its sexy.
11-14-2007, 09:09 AM
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Re: (Bazza)
B16! no doubt. If you sourced em for the same price then why not go for the motor the has more power and potential? just my .02
11-14-2007, 09:29 AM
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Re: (Bazza)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Bazza »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">D SERIES!!!! ****** sexy... specially in a sol.... i beat b16a sols with my d series del sol... but i have some **** done to it... but seriously the z6 is the strongest d series honda has!! its sexy.</TD></TR></TABLE>
hmmm thought the D15B was... Guess theres a new Z6 that i've never ever ever ever ever heard about...
but than again you have some **** done to yours so, ill be sure to warn the saleens and z06's about you... lol...
hmmm thought the D15B was... Guess theres a new Z6 that i've never ever ever ever ever heard about...
but than again you have some **** done to yours so, ill be sure to warn the saleens and z06's about you... lol...
11-14-2007, 10:01 AM
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Re: (projekt-sol)
d sreies are awsome with boost. im a fan of the d series for the fact that i dont have to dick with two cams and if your gonna boost it will be sweet and your bragging right will be well deserved!
HAHA i beat an integra with a gsr in my hatch with d15bvtec in it he got all butt hurt LOL! it was awsome!!!!!
HAHA i beat an integra with a gsr in my hatch with d15bvtec in it he got all butt hurt LOL! it was awsome!!!!!
11-14-2007, 10:26 AM
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Re: (black_EM1)
for the money go d16 if you are going boost. build the bottom end when it is out of the car. new rods and low comp. pistons would be perfect from what you want and would give you a lot of power. you could run 15lbs with no problem.
11-14-2007, 05:12 PM
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Re: (JDM_SOHC)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by JDM_SOHC »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
hmmm thought the D15B was... Guess theres a new Z6 that i've never ever ever ever ever heard about... </TD></TR></TABLE>
Actually a D16Z6 will make more power and more torque to the wheels than an equally modded D15B VTEC.
I don't know where this D15B VTEC craze came from - I think it's largely to due with how much more readily available they are than the Z6 or other 1.6L D blocks.
Technically the 1988-1989 D16A6 block is THE best/strongest D block because it has cast iron main caps which is stronger than the cast aluminum ones found in 1990-up D blocks. Even the non-VTEC A6 heads are awesome due to the portability and TONS of cam choices for them. N/A guys like them better in many cases due to the more radial cam profiles they can use.
VTEC itself in SOHC engines isn't really for horsepower, but more fuel efficiency. It's only utilized on the intake side, unlike the more notable DOHC B/H series VTECs which also employ VTEC on the exhaust side.
...and as far as SOHC engines go I think the 1996-2000 D16Y series engines are universally regarded as pieces of ****. They develop rod knocks far easier than their older D brethren.
hmmm thought the D15B was... Guess theres a new Z6 that i've never ever ever ever ever heard about...
</TD></TR></TABLE>Actually a D16Z6 will make more power and more torque to the wheels than an equally modded D15B VTEC.
I don't know where this D15B VTEC craze came from - I think it's largely to due with how much more readily available they are than the Z6 or other 1.6L D blocks.
Technically the 1988-1989 D16A6 block is THE best/strongest D block because it has cast iron main caps which is stronger than the cast aluminum ones found in 1990-up D blocks. Even the non-VTEC A6 heads are awesome due to the portability and TONS of cam choices for them. N/A guys like them better in many cases due to the more radial cam profiles they can use.
VTEC itself in SOHC engines isn't really for horsepower, but more fuel efficiency. It's only utilized on the intake side, unlike the more notable DOHC B/H series VTECs which also employ VTEC on the exhaust side.
...and as far as SOHC engines go I think the 1996-2000 D16Y series engines are universally regarded as pieces of ****. They develop rod knocks far easier than their older D brethren.
11-14-2007, 05:24 PM
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They have the same low amount of torque so the car isn't going anywhere fast, especially since it's a sol and it's heavy as ****.
I'd go with the Z6, not only are you not a tool, but you have bragging rights, as you stated. Not to mention once u crossover 300hp it's the same ground anyways as the block has to be built up - either or.
I'd go with the Z6, not only are you not a tool, but you have bragging rights, as you stated. Not to mention once u crossover 300hp it's the same ground anyways as the block has to be built up - either or.
11-14-2007, 05:29 PM
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i dont see any comparison here... B16 vs D16.....hmmm....how can that decision be hard???? come on people...the dohc vtec technology is far superior to the d series sohc vtec.... if u are looking for any power you would choose the b16...if you want economy and dont have any need for the tiny bit of power the b16 does have...you would get the d16 with economy in mind.
personally i have a h22 92 hatch and it will pretty much stomp stock b18c, b16's....i dont waste my time racing sohc's...and i do all my racing at the strip.
personally i have a h22 92 hatch and it will pretty much stomp stock b18c, b16's....i dont waste my time racing sohc's...and i do all my racing at the strip.
11-14-2007, 05:42 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by sleepyH22 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">i dont see any comparison here... B16 vs D16.....hmmm....how can that decision be hard???? come on people...the dohc vtec technology is far superior to the d series sohc vtec.... if u are looking for any power you would choose the b16...if you want economy and dont have any need for the tiny bit of power the b16 does have...you would get the d16 with economy in mind.
personally i have a h22 92 hatch and it will pretty much stomp stock b18c, b16's....i dont waste my time racing sohc's...and i do all my racing at the strip.</TD></TR></TABLE>
The B16's a final drive ratio short of the shortest transmission that Honda makes. It's a race engine that fails at racing due to its extreme lack of torque.
The only reason the gears are so short, is that if they stuck an LS trans in there, that car wouldn't budge off the line, a 18 second car couldn't qualify as an "Si."
First off, the DOHC tech is far superior to SOHC VTEC tech?
IT'S THE SAME TECHNOLOGY!!
If you want power, boost either one (the Z6 is cheaper to boost), and if you want an all motor build, they both suck for that app.
So pick your poison, nothing's perfect.
personally i have a h22 92 hatch and it will pretty much stomp stock b18c, b16's....i dont waste my time racing sohc's...and i do all my racing at the strip.</TD></TR></TABLE>
The B16's a final drive ratio short of the shortest transmission that Honda makes. It's a race engine that fails at racing due to its extreme lack of torque.
The only reason the gears are so short, is that if they stuck an LS trans in there, that car wouldn't budge off the line, a 18 second car couldn't qualify as an "Si."
First off, the DOHC tech is far superior to SOHC VTEC tech?
IT'S THE SAME TECHNOLOGY!!
If you want power, boost either one (the Z6 is cheaper to boost), and if you want an all motor build, they both suck for that app.
So pick your poison, nothing's perfect.
11-14-2007, 08:39 PM
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Re: (sauceja)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by sauceja »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">H2B
H22 torque
B gearing
3000.00 or less starting from scratch.
I am gonna go with buy them both just in case.</TD></TR></TABLE>
This guy gives me the impression of a street racing/low morals/shallow fanboy though. I don't know how he'd handle 160 tq.
H22 torque
B gearing
3000.00 or less starting from scratch.
I am gonna go with buy them both just in case.</TD></TR></TABLE>
This guy gives me the impression of a street racing/low morals/shallow fanboy though. I don't know how he'd handle 160 tq.
11-15-2007, 05:42 AM
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alright this all really depends on budget. If you go with the d-series it will be cheaper to build and boost. The b series will offer greater potential if you are going for high horsepower. IMHO i would build the d and boost it. It will be more respected and easier on the wallet.