b16 or itr motor??
09-01-2007, 09:59 AM
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Re: b16 or itr motor?? (b17eg)
The stock R motor would pwn a cammed b16.
The transmission alone makes a big difference provided the ITR motor comes with the ITR tranny.
200hp stock > ~180 modded
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by doood »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">boost > either of those options</TD></TR></TABLE>
The transmission alone makes a big difference provided the ITR motor comes with the ITR tranny.
200hp stock > ~180 modded
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by doood »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">boost > either of those options</TD></TR></TABLE>
09-01-2007, 10:41 AM
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basically you'll be spending $2,000 if you go either way, if your looking for a semi stock all motor setup then the ITR is for you. If your looking into turbo/supercharging...stick with the b16. The hassle to swap in another b-series isn't worth it when you can boost and make the same amount of power with your b16.
09-01-2007, 11:41 AM
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Re: b16 or itr motor?? (ek forever guy)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by ek forever guy »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">The stock R motor would pwn a cammed b16.
The transmission alone makes a big difference provided the ITR motor comes with the ITR tranny.
200hp stock > ~180 modded
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The B16A has the same gearing as the 97-98 ITR (1-3) the ITR's 4-5 are higher, GSR style. the 00-01 ITR is where the 4.7 FD came in, i believe.
lol and man you REALLY hate B16As dont you?
OP: Idunno. I'd stick with the ITR. Stock motors are usually more reliable and run better than modded motors. Plus the ITR gives you a better jumping board for furture mods. I mean, dont get me wrong, i LOOOOVE B16As. But that ITR makes B16A top end with more than GSR low end. You really cant go wrong.
The early ITRs were awesome, but the 00-01 ITR motors rule. 4.7FD, and CTR intake cam. Plus the header. Plus you're probably getting a fresher motor. The cost is a little higher. A couple hundred i think.
The transmission alone makes a big difference provided the ITR motor comes with the ITR tranny.
200hp stock > ~180 modded
</TD></TR></TABLE>The B16A has the same gearing as the 97-98 ITR (1-3) the ITR's 4-5 are higher, GSR style. the 00-01 ITR is where the 4.7 FD came in, i believe.
lol and man you REALLY hate B16As dont you?
OP: Idunno. I'd stick with the ITR. Stock motors are usually more reliable and run better than modded motors. Plus the ITR gives you a better jumping board for furture mods. I mean, dont get me wrong, i LOOOOVE B16As. But that ITR makes B16A top end with more than GSR low end. You really cant go wrong.
The early ITRs were awesome, but the 00-01 ITR motors rule. 4.7FD, and CTR intake cam. Plus the header. Plus you're probably getting a fresher motor. The cost is a little higher. A couple hundred i think.
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09-01-2007, 01:09 PM
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Re: b16 or itr motor?? (B serious)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by B serious »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
The B16A has the same gearing as the 97-98 ITR (1-3) the ITR's 4-5 are higher, GSR style. the 00-01 ITR is where the 4.7 FD came in, i believe.
lol and man you REALLY hate B16As dont you?
OP: Idunno. I'd stick with the ITR. Stock motors are usually more reliable and run better than modded motors. Plus the ITR gives you a better jumping board for furture mods. I mean, dont get me wrong, i LOOOOVE B16As. But that ITR makes B16A top end with more than GSR low end. You really cant go wrong.
The early ITRs were awesome, but the 00-01 ITR motors rule. 4.7FD, and CTR intake cam. Plus the header. Plus you're probably getting a fresher motor. The cost is a little higher. A couple hundred i think. </TD></TR></TABLE>
only jdm 98+ itr's had different gearing, 4.7fd, bigger cams, and better header
The B16A has the same gearing as the 97-98 ITR (1-3) the ITR's 4-5 are higher, GSR style. the 00-01 ITR is where the 4.7 FD came in, i believe.
lol and man you REALLY hate B16As dont you?
OP: Idunno. I'd stick with the ITR. Stock motors are usually more reliable and run better than modded motors. Plus the ITR gives you a better jumping board for furture mods. I mean, dont get me wrong, i LOOOOVE B16As. But that ITR makes B16A top end with more than GSR low end. You really cant go wrong.
The early ITRs were awesome, but the 00-01 ITR motors rule. 4.7FD, and CTR intake cam. Plus the header. Plus you're probably getting a fresher motor. The cost is a little higher. A couple hundred i think. </TD></TR></TABLE>
only jdm 98+ itr's had different gearing, 4.7fd, bigger cams, and better header
09-01-2007, 01:25 PM
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Re: b16 or itr motor?? (doood)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by doood »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
only jdm 98+ itr's had different gearing, 4.7fd, bigger cams, and better header</TD></TR></TABLE>
well, i think the 00-01 ITRs in the US also had the bigger intake cam. I'm pretty sure. You're right about the 4.7FD, though. I just figured the guy was going JDM ITR, as those are the most readily available.
only jdm 98+ itr's had different gearing, 4.7fd, bigger cams, and better header</TD></TR></TABLE>
well, i think the 00-01 ITRs in the US also had the bigger intake cam. I'm pretty sure. You're right about the 4.7FD, though. I just figured the guy was going JDM ITR, as those are the most readily available.
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Re: b16 or itr motor?? (B serious)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by B serious »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
well, i think the 00-01 ITRs in the US also had the bigger intake cam. I'm pretty sure. You're right about the 4.7FD, though. I just figured the guy was going JDM ITR, as those are the most readily available. </TD></TR></TABLE>
yeah, the 00-01 itr intake cam is the same as the ctr
well, i think the 00-01 ITRs in the US also had the bigger intake cam. I'm pretty sure. You're right about the 4.7FD, though. I just figured the guy was going JDM ITR, as those are the most readily available. </TD></TR></TABLE>
yeah, the 00-01 itr intake cam is the same as the ctr
09-01-2007, 04:34 PM
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Re: b16 or itr motor?? (mxbassrocker)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by mxbassrocker »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">the ITR also has alot bigger of an aftermarket in the long run</TD></TR></TABLE>
say what??
the aftermarket for all b series is huge. many parts are interchangeable between them.
say what??
the aftermarket for all b series is huge. many parts are interchangeable between them.
09-01-2007, 05:51 PM
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Re: b16 or itr motor?? (B serious)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by B serious »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
lol and man you REALLY hate B16As dont you? </TD></TR></TABLE>
Not really, but the OP had an option for something else.
The only thing I don't like about them are people thinking they have "serious n/a Goals" for their 1.6L.
Modified by ek forever guy at 7:13 PM 9/1/2007
lol and man you REALLY hate B16As dont you? </TD></TR></TABLE>
Not really, but the OP had an option for something else.
The only thing I don't like about them are people thinking they have "serious n/a Goals" for their 1.6L.
Modified by ek forever guy at 7:13 PM 9/1/2007
09-01-2007, 06:10 PM
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Re: b16 or itr motor?? (doood)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by doood »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">boost > either of those options</TD></TR></TABLE>
boost a type R motor, i dont think so, if you are going to boost it, you might as well just get a b18b and not waste the type R motor(made for n/a not boost, and they are like 1 in 2384723908472308947238947230894723) boost a b16 stock....that is fine but not a type R. high comp. motors and boost dont work together friendly, even with a tune a high comp boosted engine will have more chance with detonation than say a b18b.
boost a type R motor, i dont think so, if you are going to boost it, you might as well just get a b18b and not waste the type R motor(made for n/a not boost, and they are like 1 in 2384723908472308947238947230894723) boost a b16 stock....that is fine but not a type R. high comp. motors and boost dont work together friendly, even with a tune a high comp boosted engine will have more chance with detonation than say a b18b.
09-01-2007, 06:16 PM
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Re: b16 or itr motor?? (big-cat)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by big-cat »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">boost a type R motor, i dont think so, if you are going to boost it, you might as well just get a b18b and not waste the type R motor(made for n/a not boost, and they are like 1 in 2384723908472308947238947230894723) boost a b16 stock....that is fine but not a type R. high comp. motors and boost dont work together friendly, even with a tune a high comp boosted engine will have more chance with detonation than say a b18b.</TD></TR></TABLE>
show me where i said boost a type r engine
b16a cr - 10.2:1
b18c5 cr - 10.6:1
oh noes instant death under boost!
show me where i said boost a type r engine
b16a cr - 10.2:1
b18c5 cr - 10.6:1
oh noes instant death under boost!
09-01-2007, 07:06 PM
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Re: b16 or itr motor?? (doood)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by doood »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
show me where i said boost a type r engine
b16a cr - 10.2:1
b18c5 cr - 10.6:1
oh noes instant death under boost! </TD></TR></TABLE>
well maybe the OP doesn't want boost. How come you answer every question by saying "boost it" even though the OP has no intentions of boosting the motor. Is it that hard to just answer the question "B16A or B18C5"? I'm not raggin on you or anything man, but there are a ton of reasons NOT to boost a motor. I'm aware that there are a ton of reasons TO boost a motor as well. But being an NA guy....iduno, there's an appeal to NA setups as well. Boost is not the answer to EVERYTHING. Especially when the topic was never brought up by the OP.
show me where i said boost a type r engine
b16a cr - 10.2:1
b18c5 cr - 10.6:1
oh noes instant death under boost!
</TD></TR></TABLE>well maybe the OP doesn't want boost. How come you answer every question by saying "boost it" even though the OP has no intentions of boosting the motor. Is it that hard to just answer the question "B16A or B18C5"? I'm not raggin on you or anything man, but there are a ton of reasons NOT to boost a motor. I'm aware that there are a ton of reasons TO boost a motor as well. But being an NA guy....iduno, there's an appeal to NA setups as well. Boost is not the answer to EVERYTHING. Especially when the topic was never brought up by the OP.
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Re: b16 or itr motor?? (b17eg)
i'm unsure of why the b18c (gsr) is not in the running. it's a great all around setup, can yield nice power with a few choice bolt-ons, and is boost friendly. not to mention it's typically much cheaper than an ITR unit; my b18c with intake header and exhaust + powerfc tuning made 174/132 atw, which is very healthy for not really having anything done and NOT being an ITR engine.
