R0ADRAG3

so i've been kicking around whether to get mad vt@c from a b16 orrrrr swap my b7 with a z6 for alot cheaper and boost it. For who ever has done either, could you give feedback? prices/comparison?

haveaniceday

only thing is .. whats your goal hp

specv5150

boost over stock B16 anyday. I am turboing my Y5 for waay less than a stock B16 and that includes tuning hardware

dohcMONSTER

tooo many variables.

what car?
how much do you have to spend?
how nuch do you want to spend?
street or track?
daily or weekend?
whats your goal as far as power?

b20lsvtecCivic

boost all da way u wont regret it...

R0ADRAG3

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by dohcMONSTER &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">tooo many variables.

what car?
how much do you have to spend?
how nuch do you want to spend?
street or track?
daily or weekend?
whats your goal as far as power?</TD></TR></TABLE>


95 dx coupe
shopping for prices right now
how ever much is necessary to do it right
street/daily driver
power.....as long as its over the 120 hp mark( as of now)

R0ADRAG3

bumppp

smokee

boost, turbo-d will make you happy.

edit: do both, swap a D16 in and get teh VTAK for cheap then boost.

93_eghatch

boost without a question

-L@ndry-

Boost a B-series

R0ADRAG3

but the d16 vtak doesnt hit light speed as fast as the b16

Maness

If you wanna keep it cheap just boost the D series, especially since your power goal is very low Running a 6-7lbs of boost will net you quite a bit more dollar:power than getting the B

R0ADRAG3

ok now, a second question has arose. internals. what should be done for best results/reliability? money really isnt too big of a deal, just want to know the specs

R0ADRAG3

bump bump

noboostedEGo

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by my si is bluer than yours &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">think of it like this, u boost ur sohc, ull be puttin out 140-150 whp. ull be spanking stock b series motors. a stock b16 is puttin out about 135 to the wheels. turbo will put a smile on ur face.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Until u bury ur head in ur hands and cry because u have massive boost leak from somewhere and while ur rocking rhythmically in a corner sucking ur thumb and incomprehensibly groaning ull wish u got the b16. LOL jk, I think turbo d's are sweet but for the sake of controversy I'll say b16. I'm not saying turbo d's are unreliable by any means, I was just jokin' but u'll most likely have less worries w/a b16 all motor. I know someone will try to own me but whatever... Good luck, cheers to ur endeavors

FuNkDrSpOt

iTrader: (5)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by my si is bluer than yours &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">think of it like this, u boost ur sohc, ull be puttin out 140-150 whp. ull be spanking stock b series motors. a stock b16 is puttin out about 135 to the wheels. turbo will put a smile on ur face.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Actually there was a specific thread on here where WP-dyno for ALL B series was getting less than a Turbo D series. I think it was about the edelbrock turbo setup. Basically if remember this right, the D16 turbo got about 180 wp. That was about 20 more than even a Type-R. The Edelbrock has an E.O. stamp and it boosts at about 7 psi. If you want to go cheaper then you would go turbo, if you want to go for power, you would go B series THEN turbo.

$3000 = E.O. full turbo kit and have 20 more hp than any B series stock
or
$3100 B18C
+$3000 turbo
-----------------
$6100

your choice

SiKid86

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by FuNkDrSpOt &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Actually there was a specific thread on here where WP-dyno for ALL B series was getting less than a Turbo D series. I think it was about the edelbrock turbo setup. Basically if remember this right, the D16 turbo got about 180 wp. That was about 20 more than even a Type-R. The Edelbrock has an E.O. stamp and it boosts at about 7 psi. If you want to go cheaper then you would go turbo, if you want to go for power, you would go B series THEN turbo.

$3000 = E.O. full turbo kit and have 20 more hp than any B series stock
or
$3100 B18C
+$3000 turbo
-----------------
$6100

your choice</TD></TR></TABLE>
or 1500 for b16 and get a turbo kit and piece together and run uberdata bout 2500 much cheaper and the b16 will make similar power to the gsr

ROK801

alright man, this should make it easy on you.

boost your D series and after you blow it up, get a b16. pull whatever you decide to boost your D series with and get a new exhaust manifold for your b16 after the D series is done for... youll be happier that way.

if youre looking for quick and fun but not too serious. run 7-9 lbs through your D series. youll eat up most everything that pulls up next to you...

HiProfile

What I'm doing:

Swapped d16z6 into my 4g4dr. Boost it. Get a y8 block & built z6 head in a trade. Slap tunertoys rods & vitara pistons in it. Then you can keep up with most stock-block turbo-b's for less than what their shortblock is worth.

dohcMONSTER

everyone forgot to mention gearing, although a booosted D will put down more than a sotck b16 the gearing will absolutely destroy ANY D series tranny.

A boosted D may have more power but it takes longer to make it. and think about this, how many of us would stop building after the turbo, i know i didnt. A B series has more potential but a D series will make more power for less money <u>at first</u> because of the initial investment. But put a turbo D and a turbo B next to each other and its no contest that the B has more power, better gearing and revs higher.

it just depends on what you want and how much power you want to make. do you want to stop at 160-170 whp or do you want more? Before anyone says anything about this i have owned both a built turbo D and a B16 and i just happen to prefer my B, although boosted D's are tons of fun. goodluck and enjoy

R0ADRAG3

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by dohcMONSTER &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">everyone forgot to mention gearing, although a booosted D will put down more than a sotck b16 the gearing will absolutely destroy ANY D series tranny.

A boosted D may have more power but it takes longer to make it. and think about this, how many of us would stop building after the turbo, i know i didnt. A B series has more potential but a D series will make more power for less money <u>at first</u> because of the initial investment. But put a turbo D and a turbo B next to each other and its no contest that the B has more power, better gearing and revs higher.

it just depends on what you want and how much power you want to make. do you want to stop at 160-170 whp or do you want more? Before anyone says anything about this i have owned both a built turbo D and a B16 and i just happen to prefer my B, although boosted D's are tons of fun. goodluck and enjoy</TD></TR></TABLE>


160-170 is on stock internals no? i would most likely run stock for a short time and get what ever i can. or is that a lame idea? i know its hard to make GOOD power from a d series, but i dont want to only be able to run it on the track, which is why im hesitant on the b series

damnraz

boost the b16, high hp a little less tq = usable power throughout the powerband. that way you'll be happing you're not losing too much traction and get the most out of a boosted b series

Marauder

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by FuNkDrSpOt &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
Actually there was a specific thread on here where WP-dyno for ALL B series was getting less than a Turbo D series. I think it was about the edelbrock turbo setup.
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Oh, you mean my dyno comparison of my turbo D16 vs. a stock B16



Being that you are in California, you must consider emissions laws. Sure you can piece together some turbo kit, but you will only be legal with a Greddy or Edelbrock

unclepowers

NEVER!!!...i've been down both roads.,.d15b/d16 on boost...and now b162 ...
BOOST all the way..vtec sounds nice..but boost for life..unless u gonna put in a b16 drive it for a while then throw on a b18 block with high compression pistons and add some cams and a port job, CAI (cold air intake and a fields vtec controller).(like i did)...otherwise BOOST for life.....

iaredavid

for longevity you should rebuild a z6 if you're going that route. if you turbo it, you'll be stressing an old engine. inspecting both the top end and bottom end, you'll run into parts that'll need replacing. stuff like a hairline crack on a rod, or a bad piston ring, or bad rod bearing. stuff that'll cause your engine to blow and die outta nowhere. with a turbo setup, you'll be spending about the same cash as a b16 stock, swapped.

a b16 wouldn't need the same treatment unless you're gonna turbo it as well. a compression and leakdown test and you should be fine with that. a stock b16 will lend itself to be more streetable, as its a stock motor, and depending on which one you get, will be smog legal after you bar it. besides, it'll be running the way honda meant it to = more miles.

both will net you a pretty good power increase, but if money's the biggest concern, d16 turbo is the way to go.