TURBOED-TEG

I am thinking about doing this swap since I blew my motor and the insurance company is only giving me like 1400. How reliable is this swap and is there anything different as far as parts then other b16's in other words will a header for a 99 SI work. (stupid question)

94HybridEX

A ton of people have this swap. A little search would help you.

This motor is very reliable (but of course, reliability decreases as you increase modifications).

Yes, bolt ons like header, intake as well as internals will all work.

Doctor CorteZ

why do you want a 1st gen B16 ?

find an OBD1 swap and throw it in

ImprtTuner88

tons of people, I have in my car!

Kamin

if you only have 1400
do NOT BUY A FIRST GEN SWAP
you are gonna need about 900$ in other parts to make it work in a 92+ car.

Plan B

save a little bit and get a b18b swap, later if you've got more cash, sell it and trade up.

DOHCtorTHRUST

he's correct, the motor itself is cheap as hell, and reliable as hell.... i had mines for about 1 3/4 year now and its giving me no prblem.....alot of configuration but its worth it if you just need some heat and reliability.....i put a total of 16-20k on my motor.....throw in about 600 bucks and get the whole second gen swap.... but if you can find a hydro tranny for a cheap price you can do it....

buzlink

I have one sitting in my garage.
Just the Main block head and valve cover.

I got flamed big time for asking for info on this.
I'm really wanting to put it into a 4dr a hatchback or maybe a CRX.

Looking for all info on how to do this.

Thanks.

pennies_hatchie

iTrader: (1)

b16a1 in an eg is not worth the hassle cause of the obd and tranny conversions that you have to do. stick with the b16a2 or b18's (obd1) and you'll save yourself some headaches

tolowhb

Do all eg's have the right fuel injection for a b16 swap? The reason i ask is because i have an ef and am buying a eg this weekind (i hope) and i know on the dx version of the ef you have to swap the fuel injection from dpfi to mpfi.

shawnhayes

All 92-2000 Civic's have 4 point injection. All B series motors (from first generation B16's to B20'2) have been swapped to 92-95 Civics. None has had to convert the fuel injection system that I know of.

Shawn

B18C5-EH2

Taken from me in another thread about this same subject:

Here are the various trannies offered with the JDM first-gen B16A swaps:
1. J1
2. S1
3. Y1

They are all cable-type clutch trannies, so you will need a HASport or Place cable-to-hydro conversion kit. It works, but it doesn't feel as positive as the real hydro trannies.

The cable trannies are notorious for having grinds and just overall shittyness from being old. The problem with them is that once they go bad you're screwed because there are no rebuild parts offered here in the U.S except for one or two guys on -H-T that can get the synchro kits for $350.00 or so. Add the labor and trouble to do the rebuild and you should have just bought a true hydro second-gen B16A swap to begin with.

The J1/S1 has the same 1-4 gears that the USDM ITR S80 tranny has, but the 5th gear is shorter. Combine this with the 4.400 FD and you have a really nice tranny for all-motor or near-stock motor, but it has really high freeway cruising rpm.

The Y1 has taller gearing and the 4.26 FD. It's not as good for all-motor or near-stock motor. The only plus for these is the rare optional LSD. To me it's simply not worth the trade off for the LSD to have taller gearing and the 4.26 FD.

WARNING!!!

There were also U.S spec cable B-Series trannies, and one of them is also an S1 tranny.

This is easily confused for the good JDM S1 tranny, but it has the tallest/shittiest gearing of all the B-Series trannies and also has the 4.26 FD.

Some slick people swap the JDM lower mileage S1 tranny for the shittier USDM S1 tranny and you get screwed while they sell off the JDM S1 for a premium price.

So bottom line:

If you want to do a B16A swap in a 1992-1995 Civic and you absolutely will not buy the correct hydro trannied swaps, get a swap with the J1 tranny. It's the only one you know for sure that has the good gearing and 4.400 FD.

I'd recommend doing it the right way and simply getting the second gen B16A. In the end you *might* save a few hundred dollars by getting the cable swap, but some end up paying the same or MORE for them after they round up the extra parts to get the first-gen into your 1992-1995 Civic.

Here's some extras that you need to get the first-gen B16A to work in your 1992-1995 Civic:

1. Mount kit with cable-to-hydro convertor - $650.00 or so
2. OBD1 VTEC distributor: $150.00-$200.00
3. 1990-1993 Integra Axles(?): $120.00 a piece if you're lucky, but usually they'll add $50.00 for no cores
4. Re-chipped P28 ECU or OBD1 P30 (rare!) ECU: $300.00
5. Exhuast manifold/header because the first-gen doesn't work right: $name your price

So now you have a weaker, older first-gen B16A that requires more headaches than the drop-in straight forward second-gen swap.

Also, you now only utilize 4 engine mounts rather than 5 like it is stock because the cable tranny has no place for the passenger side anti-roll mount.

Add it all up and compare it for yourself.

First-gen swap with engine, tranny, and wrong pre-OBD ECU: $1,150.00

Now add all the costs for extra parts: $1,270.00

Now you have $2,420.00 in the swap. I'll be fair and subtract the price for the sold pre-OBD distributor and ECU - $250.00 or so hopefully.

So in the end you spent around $2,170.00 for the first-gen swap.

Compare that to the $2,450.00 for the full SiR and SiRII hydro/second-gen swap. You get 170hp and a better tranny. You get to bolt it in like the stock 1992-1995 motors also. No mount kit or convertors needed.

Prices were taken from http://www.hondamotorsonline.com and the price list is here:

http://www.hondamotorsonline.com/sho...USDM%20Engines

Did any of that make sense?

AMG

Just get an SiR II, mine will be in my car 3 weeks from now!!! I cant wait!

buzlink

Can you just hook up a tranny from a second gen B16 to a first gen B16.
I've been told this is possible.
Plus I don't have much invested in my motor, so I'm curious about going with this.

Also what about putting one in a CRX?

B18C5-EH2
Thanks for the great reply on this also! Helps out alot!


[Modified by buzlink, 10:14 PM 9/5/2002]

1 2 NV

this swap is what i call the super poor mans swap. not only r u too cheap to buy the right yr engine for ur car, but u will spend around the same amount as the CORRECT swap gettin all the parts and pieces together. the ultra cheap asses swap.

SpooN Man

yes, after all you don't want that old of a motor. most 1 gens that I have seen have been from 89 xsi tegs.

JOEBLAZE78

I got a b16a2 for 1500 with a cable tranny its obd1 but i also had to buy a hydro to cable conversion kit from HAsports.com for 220 it's been in the car for a week and work perfect

KBOi85

is the b16a2 way better for a eg performance and installation wise??..im thinking of doing this myself and im only 17...

Plan B

I don't mean to be a dick, but I have assisted one of these swaps before and the 90-93 integra axles are a tiny bit too short.

I did use 88-89 prelude b21 axles and they are the appropriate length for 92-00 civics. The chasis is a tiny bit wider than the ef or da chassis.

You always said, "have to stop the misinformation."

loclowd

I was going to do that, let me show you what it breaks down too

1350 for a1 2350 for a2
425 for mounting kit and conversion 10 more horsepower
going to need to do some ecu work
0bd0bd1 Direct fit
and know how to do all of this

Hooch'n

Sir2 B16A in my car.............needs some work but a very effective swap and feels like it has more power with a CX shell.

KBOi85

so the SiR2 is way better then the 1st gen???

B18C5-EH2

Seen at least 6 of the first-gen B16A swaps with 1990-1993 axles with no problems.

Glad the Prelude ones worked better for you guys.

Plan B

Ugh, i just want to see how they did that. I want to see the cars!!!!

They stretch so damn far if the axle is completly bolted in the hub.

I don't know, I used to sell axles every day and I just can't deal with it if they aren't perfect. The 90-93 teg axles were close, but not close enough for me.

EVIL Hx Coupe

I was planning to do this and figured that is not worth it.... Why go through all that trouble when u can get a better motor for the same money and not have any problems with it.