hybridb18c

what is the most wheel hp/torque put down? All motor?
just wondering if it is worth it for a friend who wants to rebuild his D16Z6 instead of buying a swap???

you2envious

Hell from what I have been told its better to get the swap if possible

eg6ajk

with spending about $800 you can pull close to 140whp....with a d16z....

silo

eg6ajk-----curious about the parts to buy with the $800 and is this to the wheels?

thanx..........

Subtle

HOW?

hybridb18c

How is this possible? I told my friend that is was impossible to put down 140whp and 120wtq with a D16Z6. Untill I see a dyno plot to prove me wrong, I see that there is no way in hell of this to be accomplished. (all motor)! He is currently building his D16Z6 and he says he will put down over 140whp and be running high 13's, I bet him $50.

OR-G

NOS

Dr. Gonzo

they're talking about an all-motor D16Z6. NOS is f/i


[Modified by D16_VTEC, 12:43 AM 2/5/2002]

itsallmotor

IMO he should go for the swap and I would go for a LS/VTEC hybrid if he's goin N/A or build-up a B16a and make a mock CTR engine but w/ out forced induction, squeezing horses outta the D16 means astronomical compression ratios which means high octane gas and its all gonna cost a lot more then swapping an LS/VTEC in, but I would be curious to hear some numbers for an all out N/A D16 if someone has some

ihaterice

damn, people have no faith...power can be made from a sohc vtec civic, it is there to be had, it just takes a little more imagination that simply bolting in a more powerfull engine...everytime this damn subject comes up people start flapping their lips saying just go ahead and get the swap and blah blah blah...well you know what, i may just be venting but F a swap...it is far more fun for me i have found out to play with a d series engine...they are cheaper to acquire parts to, more challenging to get power out of, and always the underdog...a little more respect should be given to those individuals that decide to work with their d series engines instead of yanking them instantly in favor of a b series swap...any monkey can pull out a small engine and put in a bigger engine and make the car faster, people have been doing that since the idea of working on cars began, don't think that we are all so original by swapping engines out of integras into our lighter, more nimble civics, back in the hey day of hot rodding engine swaps were as a common a sight as RICED out civics are today...i have had an eg w/b18c, an ef w/b16a, and an eg w/d16z6 and right now i am working on a bone stock 1988 honda crx si that i just acquired and couldn't be more thrilled to face the challenge of pulling some power out of the 'ole d16a6...so i have pretty much played with all of the engines and by far d series engines are the most enjoyable, the sheer cost to challenge factor is great.

hybridb18c

Dude! before you go losing sleep over this topic re-read my original post. Nobody has bashed the D16. All I'm asking for is a dyno plot with a D16 all motor and daily driven putting down 140whp. Then I will believe that it is possible.....

Nick M

I wish i had the dyno plot to post, but a guy I know had an 89 CRX with a SOHC vtec from an EG, made 148hp to the wheels all-motor. It revved to about 9500 too. Ill see if he still has the dyno graph laying around.

Mista Bone

BONE STOCK with I/H/E = about 122 whp

you2envious

There is still hope for my slow *** d16 LOL SWWWWWWWWEEEEEEEEETTTTTTTTTTT now if I can just steal a buddy's manual tansmission I will be set . HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAA

ImportechPerformance

People that make any kinda power with the D-series motors are the true heros of America!!

Crazydave

well with header and intake with 60,000 miles.. I put a whole 100 hp to the wheels in my d16y8!

905_S2K

Mista Bone is exactly right... back in the day when i used to have the SOHC Vtec D16Z i made 122whp and 100tq with a crappy "filter on a stick" style intake, DC headers, Unorthodox crank pulley, and Trust SP exhaust.

eg6ajk

healthy d16z6 which pulls about 120-125whp with I/H/E, add/do the following the following:
D16Y8 intake (about $50-80)
Zex or Crower cam ($250-350)
shaved head ($60-100)
chipped ecu ($50-150)
VX crank pulley ($20)
shaved flywheel ($100-120)
cam gear ($90-100)

this setup is defiantly capable of at least mid to high 130whp....

my current d15b (stock throught out other then following: 59300 zex cam/header/GSR TB/ecu/exhaust (weight 2300lbs) = ability to keeping up with b16a powered EG (stock 140-145whp EG hatch) (weights at 2450lbs)...(driver weight included)

if you guys want to see a dyno someone give me $25US (needs to be done this week otherwise its gone) and i'll do some baseline runs to see what this 1.5l is able to do...

Mista Bone

Adrian, are you NUTS?????

The VX crank pulley will KILL the motor in short time.
You've seen the pics I've posted.

Rogue108

Check out JG's numbers for kicks...
http://www.jgenginedynamics.com/dynotests

eg6ajk

MB: why the VX pulley has no harmonic balancer?

Mista Bone

1.5L crank pulleys don't have the rubber dampener.

therealciviczc

If I remember right, a guy around here did 137whp with a D16A6, all honda internals, all motor. I honestly can't remember the exact setup, but he basically had really high compression, good P&P, header, exhaust, intake, etc. It wasn't much to get that much power, but it was a lot of tuning and a really high comp ratio (I think he used one of the 1.5 liter motor's pistons, but I'm really not sure).

I saw the plot on his fridge. Torqe was 117 I think.

(If anyone from central Ohio knows Lenky's old car, that is what I'm referring to).