Slowass2dr

OK i just bought a 1996 hatch and i wanna make it my neew project car. for this car i wanna go all motor. iv never had an all motor car so i need some help. i wanna run somewere in the 12s in a 1/4 mile. what motor do u guys think would be the best choice to accoplish this and what sort of components would i need, cams, camgears, ect? i would like to stay b-series. a lot of people have told me to go ls vtec, b20 vtec, and gsr.......i need help

95ProjectEJ1

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I take it this isnt going to be your DD?

Slowass2dr

maybe lol, iv had dd doin high 11 but turbo though, am sick of turbos

sauceja

Research the H2B. H22 with B-series tranny and axles.

Those have been getting low 13's in all-motor and stock form with none to very little mods.

Could get the swap done for around or less than a type r swap.

Check out the hybrid section for info.

https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=1638988

fmrprojects

ls vtec

Slowass2dr

what do u guys think about the gsr, is it a good foundation to start with?

Libertariat

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No, the money it would take to make a gsr fast you could have purchased a b18c5 and gone faster.

B18c5/h22

End of story. (IMO)

97Ej6mike

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B18c5/h22

End of story. (IMO)</TD></TR></TABLE>

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Libertariat

With a smaller displacement ( &lt; 1.8) you're going to need higher compression anyways. The type-r already has that. With a mild head build you could up the compression more and have something impressive.

THC07

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thats the trick, compression.
you need the H, its SO cost effecitve.
H2b is deffenitly tight, but shitty on the freeways, unless you get a different final drive.
your in a hatch, regular H22 with 12:1 compression and the bottle. with a good tune, you should be in the 12s

sauceja

It doesn't matter what the engine is. Tire size and transmission determine highway speeds.

I have a jdm y21 with oem lsd and 4.4 final drive and I get decent gas mileage. I would consider getting a 4.7 FD.

My gsr gets better gas mileage at highway speeds. 31 mpg at 70+ mph on Interstate.

I would go H2B for power and a fun daily. Or just soak it up and get the type r swap to get a better tranny with lsd. That alone is worth the extra money.

I built 18C1 block with p30 pistons and using a type r head with flat faced valves to get me around 12:1 ratio.

I will get an H22 before I try to spend the money on a bore/hone and new pistons again to get more power.

BelgiumEG6

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smileycvc

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No, the money it would take to make a gsr fast you could have purchased a b18c5 and gone faster.

B18c5/h22

End of story. (IMO)</TD></TR></TABLE>

GSR swap from Hmotors...2749

Type R swap from Hmotors...4400

You can easily thow a mild set of cams in a gsr with a header and intake and make as much or more power than a C5.

To the OP if your going for a 12 second car you will need to swap out all the internal and replace them any way. So in this case you should just go with an LS/Vtec setup since it would probally be the cheapest to find a block and head. A 12 second all motor b series is not gonna be cheap though. You might consider sleeving and going with a big bore. Unless your really stuck on B series I would go with a K motor it really doesnt cost as much as everyone thinks.

Syndacate

H22

fmrprojects

you can build a ls vtec with pr3 or p30 pistons a nd a stock gsr head with cams and still be able to hit 12s. as long as you can make 190hp it is good for 12s in a hatch

Libertariat

You picked the cheapest gsr swap and the most expensive 98+ spec itr swap..

for $1000 you'd have a slower gsr than a stock type-r. And worse gearing and no lsd.

smileycvc

so you think that he will hit 12s with a stock block itr? I dont. Since he has to swap all the internals anyway why would he buy the most expensive swap? Just go with an LS or maybe a GSR if you can find a deal tear it apart and build it from the ground up. Its not hard to find a lower geared tranny or an lsd either.

highrev1987

poor mans type r for the win!

the h22 and h2b are faster imo

Slowass2dr

am really leaning towards the ls/vtec now....in that case what would u guys sugest for internals, what pistons, cams, ect..

ABCVTEC

Theres no point in getting an ITR. To make 200+whp you're going to need to upgrade the valvetrain anyway. Sure you can sell the ITR parts I suppose.

I'd recommend getting a GSR short block. LSVTEC is great and all but the GSR block is much better. You can also put an LS crank on the GSR short block and get the best of both worlds.

You can choose whatever head you want. B20vtec is good as well for the extra displacement, but I've seen some really badass NA cars that have GSRs bored to 2.0L. Regardless, it's going to be expensive. K-series might not be a bad idea, but it's a lot of work, more so than money although most people think the opposite, alot of people I've talked to about their K20 swaps think the time and effort put in is worse than the money they spent.

B20VTEC is ideal for a good B-series NA build. Features the extra displacement and more torque. It's going to need a lot of block work though to keep it reliable.

Wow I wrote alot and I'm just going back and forth. Moral of the story: It doesn't matter in the end. But I don't see the point in buying an ITR swap that you're just going to put aftermarket parts in anyway.

fmrprojects

i put together couple of motors with unported heads making 185hp and 190hp. al you need is a high compression block with a head with valvetrain and cams. its in the tune and the header you have