99 Civic Si into the 13's
08-02-2006, 07:46 AM
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99 Civic Si into the 13's
sup I'm a proud owner of a 99 EM1 Civic. It has the b16 engine in it. Driving it for the first time it was a huge step up from my old D15 I had. But It just has no torque. Can any of you guys share with me some low 13- maybe high 12 recipes.. N/A? After looking at this 1/4 mile calculator that I found.. my car needs' a lil bit over 200WHP. So I was thinking maybe a B20-VTEC.. but I don't want my car breaking down on me all the time.. just how reliable are they? my other option was a vortech SC. and don't say turbo FTW. 
08-02-2006, 08:12 AM
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just how reliable are those poor man's type R? do they put pretty good numbers? I got around 3k to spend on engine mods... I want invest in my interior next..(mmmmm reacro..) weight redution... the only thing I'm removing is my spare tire, jack, and carpeting..
08-02-2006, 08:48 AM
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If you've ever heard of Omniman, he's the creator of a 200whp B16a, and youd be suprised what he uses to get there, Check out his trailers on youtube.com, or go to intertune.tv , and buy the video, its one hell of a buy, and its well worth it.
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nitrous maybe but I don't want to depend on It..... and all motor b16 sucks... it will still feel slugish...LS/VTEC is tempting me.. how long do they last if built right.. and can they be built for under 3k?
08-02-2006, 09:10 AM
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Re: (B16_racer87)
with 3 grand I would just get a b20 bottom end and build the internals up on it (sleeves, pistons, etc) and you will have a great DD+ track car
08-02-2006, 09:53 AM
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Re: (JDM_EM1)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by JDM_EM1 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">lol i know u don't wanna hear but for 3k. buy a turbo kit and ur easy 13secs</TD></TR></TABLE>
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Re: (B16_racer87)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by B16_racer87 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> .... and all motor b16 sucks... </TD></TR></TABLE>
i'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt and take it as a bone stock b16 will not suit your needs to be the fastest kid in the world.
There's plenty of all motor b16's that put up nice numbers and i doubt anyone of their builders will say that they are sluggish. na is hard work combined with constantly making added improvements to your setup to squeeze milliseconds out of your engine.
just boost your car and call it a day.
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i'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt and take it as a bone stock b16 will not suit your needs to be the fastest kid in the world.
There's plenty of all motor b16's that put up nice numbers and i doubt anyone of their builders will say that they are sluggish. na is hard work combined with constantly making added improvements to your setup to squeeze milliseconds out of your engine.
just boost your car and call it a day.
Modified by 98-00 at 2:29 PM 8/2/2006
08-02-2006, 10:01 AM
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You've got 4 choices.
1 - N/A. Expensive, but rewarding in the end. Instant gratification from the engine and capable of 13s with about 5+Gs.
2 - N2O - $500 + a tune and you're 13s all day with torque.
3 - Turbocharged - $3000 and you can have a very reliable 300+whp setup. That my friend, is 12s with slicks.
4 - Supercharged - $3000 LHT intercooled ~10psi a nice header and 13 second times. Low end torque FTW!
I say go turbo. Did the whole SC thing, was fun till I got tired of being a 15 second car. Go turbo, you won't regret it.
1 - N/A. Expensive, but rewarding in the end. Instant gratification from the engine and capable of 13s with about 5+Gs.
2 - N2O - $500 + a tune and you're 13s all day with torque.
3 - Turbocharged - $3000 and you can have a very reliable 300+whp setup. That my friend, is 12s with slicks.
4 - Supercharged - $3000 LHT intercooled ~10psi a nice header and 13 second times. Low end torque FTW!
I say go turbo. Did the whole SC thing, was fun till I got tired of being a 15 second car. Go turbo, you won't regret it.
08-02-2006, 10:07 AM
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there was an ej8 in honda tunning. rebuilt JDM b16a with a spoon intake and headers, no p/s or a/c, built head putting down 170 to the wheels and running a 13.7. i don't know if it was on slicks and i'm almost positive the bottom end was stock.
that's the route i'm taking with my ej8 with my b18c
that's the route i'm taking with my ej8 with my b18c
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08-02-2006, 10:13 AM
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<--174whp B16A N/A. haven't gone to the track yet though
Jason (JDMlyfestyle) put down 168whp on his N/A B16A and ran 13.5 with 2.1 60'. Quite impressive.
And B. has a I/E B16A and ran 13.8 with slicks
Jason (JDMlyfestyle) put down 168whp on his N/A B16A and ran 13.5 with 2.1 60'. Quite impressive.
And B. has a I/E B16A and ran 13.8 with slicks
08-02-2006, 10:21 AM
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Re: (B16_racer87)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by B16_racer87 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> nitrous maybe but I don't want to depend on It..... and all motor b16 sucks... it will still feel slugish...LS/VTEC is tempting me.. how long do they last if built right.. and can they be built for under 3k?</TD></TR></TABLE>
if B16 suck then why do you own one? if your just looking for a fast way to make horsepower then go turbo. but if you looking for the most out of your motor then go NA.
if B16 suck then why do you own one? if your just looking for a fast way to make horsepower then go turbo. but if you looking for the most out of your motor then go NA.
08-02-2006, 10:28 AM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by philosofy1 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
if B16 suck then why do you own one? if your just looking for a fast way to make horsepower then go turbo. but if you looking for the most out of your motor then go NA. </TD></TR></TABLE>
lol exactly. Why bother getting an EM1 if you don't want to make use of the B16? Could've just bought a EH2 or even a regular EJ8 and have a B20vtak super fantastic super smash box office hit car
if B16 suck then why do you own one? if your just looking for a fast way to make horsepower then go turbo. but if you looking for the most out of your motor then go NA. </TD></TR></TABLE>
lol exactly. Why bother getting an EM1 if you don't want to make use of the B16? Could've just bought a EH2 or even a regular EJ8 and have a B20vtak super fantastic super smash box office hit car
08-02-2006, 10:41 AM
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Re: (B16_racer87)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by B16_racer87 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">just how reliable are those poor man's type R? do they put pretty good numbers? I got around 3k to spend on engine mods... I want invest in my interior next..(mmmmm reacro..) weight redution... the only thing I'm removing is my spare tire, jack, and carpeting..</TD></TR></TABLE>
Why? Do you honestly thing the carpets whopping 2lbs is going to help you? Retarded. And the 40lb spare tire and jack? Yeah, thats going to be the key to running a good time.
Why? Do you honestly thing the carpets whopping 2lbs is going to help you? Retarded. And the 40lb spare tire and jack? Yeah, thats going to be the key to running a good time.
08-02-2006, 10:43 AM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by SkoundrelUSA »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><--174whp B16A N/A. haven't gone to the track yet though
Jason (JDMlyfestyle) put down 168whp on his N/A B16A and ran 13.5 with 2.1 60'. Quite impressive.
And B. has a I/E B16A and ran 13.8 with slicks</TD></TR></TABLE>
168whp is "quite impressive"?? Easily amused, are we? People spend too much time here drooling over numbers. There is a little more to running good times then laying down 5 trillion whp. The 13.5 time with only 168whp proves my point.
Jason (JDMlyfestyle) put down 168whp on his N/A B16A and ran 13.5 with 2.1 60'. Quite impressive.
And B. has a I/E B16A and ran 13.8 with slicks</TD></TR></TABLE>
168whp is "quite impressive"?? Easily amused, are we? People spend too much time here drooling over numbers. There is a little more to running good times then laying down 5 trillion whp. The 13.5 time with only 168whp proves my point.
08-02-2006, 10:47 AM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Hybrid93Eg »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
168whp is "quite impressive"?? Easily amused, are we? People spend too much time here drooling over numbers. There is a little more to running good times then laying down 5 trillion whp. The 13.5 time with only 168whp proves my point.</TD></TR></TABLE>
When I said quite impressive, I meant at the time not the power. Especially with a 2.1 60'. I just stated the power because someone is bound to ask.
My point was that you can run an N/A B16 and still run 13s
168whp is "quite impressive"?? Easily amused, are we? People spend too much time here drooling over numbers. There is a little more to running good times then laying down 5 trillion whp. The 13.5 time with only 168whp proves my point.</TD></TR></TABLE>
When I said quite impressive, I meant at the time not the power. Especially with a 2.1 60'. I just stated the power because someone is bound to ask.
My point was that you can run an N/A B16 and still run 13s
08-02-2006, 11:16 AM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by SkoundrelUSA »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
When I said quite impressive, I meant at the time not the power. Especially with a 2.1 60'. I just stated the power because someone is bound to ask.
My point was that you can run an N/A B16 and still run 13s</TD></TR></TABLE>
yes you can! i personally own the omniman video, and you know everyone talks **** about the b16. the one omniman worked on so happened to be a first gen b16, that was put into the si (which the current owner had no idea and bought the car that way). he was able to hit alittle over 200whp and that was with itr internals, mild port n polish, new valvetrain itr cams, a couple of other bolt ons and some good ole fashion tuning.
so if he was able to hit this with oem itr parts, imagine higher compression pistons, and other goodies that are out there to increase horsepower that he didn't use. granted the b18 has more torque, but done right a b16 can is just as good.
When I said quite impressive, I meant at the time not the power. Especially with a 2.1 60'. I just stated the power because someone is bound to ask.
My point was that you can run an N/A B16 and still run 13s</TD></TR></TABLE>
yes you can! i personally own the omniman video, and you know everyone talks **** about the b16. the one omniman worked on so happened to be a first gen b16, that was put into the si (which the current owner had no idea and bought the car that way). he was able to hit alittle over 200whp and that was with itr internals, mild port n polish, new valvetrain itr cams, a couple of other bolt ons and some good ole fashion tuning.
so if he was able to hit this with oem itr parts, imagine higher compression pistons, and other goodies that are out there to increase horsepower that he didn't use. granted the b18 has more torque, but done right a b16 can is just as good.