jasony0630

ok, well now i have a b16a3 under the hood, im a noticably faster than before, but i feel that i dont have enough power and i want to reach atleast 250whp N/A.

i plan to keep it n/a for a little while until i decide to boost.

is there any way to get 250whp out of a b16a3 with an intake and exhaust without raising compression?

thanks

doood

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hahahahahahaha! no.

do you understand how hard 200whp from a b16 is? let alone 250whp.

Frickr

no there isnt a way you can add almost 100 whp without having some super high compression, or forced induction.

ifIexplode

Nitrous.

Frickr

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ifIexplode

its a 1.6 wtf do you want from it?

LastGenEK

Im About to boost my 1/2 built B18C and im hoping to get 250 whp

jasony0630

yeah, i was thinking about that...im a complete noob when it comes to n/a

well how much do you think i could get out of my b16 without raising compression?

queda

^^ maybe 180whp but u do have to d alot of work. problly a mild build on the head but it will probly raise compression a little bit

crawlin

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well how much do you think i could get out of my b16 without raising compression?</TD></TR></TABLE>

dont waste your time just skip to boost

jasony0630

hm...sounds do-able, thanks

Syndacate

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kk ricer - nitrous or it isn't happening.

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by jasony0630 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">ok, well now i have a b16a3 under the hood, im a noticably faster than before, but i feel that i dont have enough power and i want to reach atleast 250whp N/A.

i plan to keep it n/a for a little while until i decide to boost.

is there any way to get 250whp out of a b16a3 with an intake and exhaust without raising compression?

thanks</TD></TR></TABLE>

Ask Bisimoto for advice - because that's about as good as your car will be - a ******* track car to run 250whp all motor out of a B16A3.

I mean ****, a 100whp gain on a 1.6L motor? Nitrous is your only chance at that - you can boost, but that's a far cry from all motor. Some people say nitrous isn't a power adder like turbocharging (it is) but it's the only way you'll get that kind of power. while remaining an all motor block.

Without raising the compression? Maybe 170 at the wheels on bolt-ons...MAYBE 180...tops...

Remember that the 160 it claims to make is a BHP (engine output) number and it's more like 140-150 at the wheels.

If you want to see 250 you're going to need a cam that makes it impossible to idle under 1500 RPM and has enough overlay so a raised comp engine doesn't blow sky high. Without raising the compression you can't use a cam with enough overlay to do so as your compression would drop and your motor would fail, etc. etc. - no, it's not happening unless you try turning it into a drag only car - it will idle like **** and have 2 speeds: "go" and "idle" (at 1500-2k RPM) - then on top of that there will be so much head work needed you'll need to see close to 10k on the tach.

What a joke.

PS:
Almost forgot, you'll have to stock up on leaded fuel or alcohol.

jasony0630

well ****, i was planning to boost sometime down the road when i get the money....college is raping me

in that case ill just do little **** to it before i boost....i.e port + polish, larger tb, intake mani, headers, lighter flywheel and a better clutch, and a test pipe should do for now....oh yeah, and a tune

yeah youre right, 250 n/a is kinda far out.

do you think 170whp is do-able with the stuff i listed above?

97Ej6mike

one word... boost.

jasony0630

yeah im planning on it, but so are a billion other people

we will see

97Ej6mike

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we will see</TD></TR></TABLE>

Boost is the easiest way to attain that kind of power.
If you must be a non-comformist, go ahead and spend loads more on N/A parts.
250 hp N/A on a b16 would not be easy.

jasony0630

yeah, i understand that a LOT clearer now.

thanks lots.

im *hoping to get myself a greddy turbo kit sometime within the next couple of months...or some other turbo kit...the e-manage appeals to me.

anyone have any feedback on the e-manage that comes with the kit? is it worth it?

and also, should i just save up to boost or should i spend money on precautions before i boost? (like lower comp pistons, valves, thicker headgasket....stuff like that)

since i dont know how well stock internal b16's handle boost

kuja396

Syndacate is right

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Don't bother (ecxept for the clutch and flywheel) you'll have to change the "headers" when you go boost anyways

Just save up for the turbo kit and you'll have the 250whp.

Syndacate

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by jasony0630 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">well ****, i was planning to boost sometime down the road when i get the money....college is raping me

in that case ill just do little **** to it before i boost....i.e port + polish, larger tb, intake mani, headers, lighter flywheel and a better clutch, and a test pipe should do for now....oh yeah, and a tune

yeah youre right, 250 n/a is kinda far out.

do you think 170whp is do-able with the stuff i listed above?</TD></TR></TABLE>

If college is raping you then spend your money on important things - that's what I'm doing and it's working out rather well.

I'm a broke *** college student too - therefore I'm not upgrading my car. Makes sense *shrugs*.

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by jasony0630 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">yeah, i understand that a LOT clearer now.

thanks lots.

im *hoping to get myself a greddy turbo kit sometime within the next couple of months...or some other turbo kit...the e-manage appeals to me.

anyone have any feedback on the e-manage that comes with the kit? is it worth it?

and also, should i just save up to boost or should i spend money on precautions before i boost? (like lower comp pistons, valves, thicker headgasket....stuff like that)

since i dont know how well stock internal b16's handle boost</TD></TR></TABLE>

Greddy emanage is horseshit, B16 should hold to about 300 fine on stock internals and a good tune. Get a chipped OBD-I ECU in terms of tuning - it is everything you'll need.

As far as hitting 170 with the crap you listed above? Better clutch and lighter flywheel don't increase hp, a better clutch only will help you handle more power, it won't do anything (nor is it needed) in terms of performance, a lighter flywheel will help you in acceleration though. Don't put the larger throttle body on unless your intake manifold's intake port is port matched or you'll create a lip which will create turbulence in the throttle body. If you get a decent manifold with a throttle body, port 'n polished head, with a good header, you can see 170-180hp. You can squeeze the most out if it's dyno tuned.

Though if you're a college student I'd just recommend forgetting about it and put your $ into something useful. I'm in the same boat you are (actually worse since I go to RIT and everybody here is rich since tuition is ridiculously high - so there's a lot of navigators, infinitis, etc. floating around). I just said "expletive it" - I'll leave my car as a stock, reliable, daily driver - as like I said, I'm in the same boat you are.

You should do the same, it'd be stupid to use what little money you make/get on upgrading your honda civic (of all cars) with bolt-ons (of all ways of upgradability) on a sub-standard size (1.6L &lt; 2.0L) engine.

crawlin

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Don't bother (ecxept for the clutch and flywheel)
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wrong.


A P&P is a good idea but a good one will run some decent money and you said college is raping you. depending on the turbo some people like staying with a stock flywheel or go with a lighter flywheel but not to light, the heavier flywheel helps keep the rev's up in between shifts and stay in boost. A new clutch is a must just make sure you pick one suitable to your setup. A TB can be good for boost but dot go real big and on stock b16 anything much over stock will start to hurt and not help without the turbo. Dont change the header because it wont benifit you for a boosted motor. I would change the intake mani just depends what you want theres a few models out there. Then of course injectors and a good tune. Oh yeah straight pipe with a muffler will be fine test pipe wont help you if you keep everything else stock on a boosted motor and stock honda exhaust is tiny.

I havent delt w/ emanage much but i believe not to many people are using it cause there is better out there.

kuja396

Crawlin

Yeah I don't understand how I'm wrong, your paragraph didn't disprove me any, if he wants 250whp, he can do that easily with just a stock *** b16 (stock manifold, stock throttle body stock everything) and then add a turbo kit and fuel upgrades.... so how am i wrong?

Syndacate

All that **** all motor is a waste - but he can get 170-180 on a good tune with it.

crawlin

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Yeah I don't understand how I'm wrong, your paragraph didn't disprove me any, if he wants 250whp, he can do that easily with just a stock *** b16 (stock manifold, stock throttle body stock everything) and then add a turbo kit and fuel upgrades.... so how am i wrong? </TD></TR></TABLE>

why would he not bother, he could attain 250whp with less boost with the supporting parts. He said he wanted to do a few things before he went to boost, everybody always wants more boost so doing everything else will help down the line. Im not saying your wrong where you cant hit 250whp on a stock b16 thats very possible. Im saying your wrong with theres no point in not upgrading anything else besides the clutch and flywheel.

kuja396

I see your standpoint, you said I wasn't wrong, but before you quoted me and said "wrong", so you could see why I could get confused lol.

About the supporting mods thing, I agree, same hp with less boost, and it will help down the line if he decides to up the hp beyond 300 or so (limiting factor being the bottom end).

From my point of view however, is that stuff like intake manifold and throttle body are again, for people with goals of lots of hp or people with money to burn. Its not nessasary for his current goals of 250. He could always get that stuff later, its expensive you know!

OP: My opinion is to keep the block stock (saves you money) and buy a good turbo kit and tune, fuel upgrades, clutch, and exhaust. 250 whp ftw

Syndacate

While I see where you both are coming from I have to kinda side with kuja396 on this one.

His internals will limit his hp possibilities well before his flow-rates will.

If he wants power beyond 300 he can just crank up the boost (assuming his block can take the punishment), but say at 30psi it's topping 400whp, then he'll need a larger compressor, not a port 'n polish.

I'd only do that stuff if you plan on aiming for as much power as possible all motor. Other than that, due to the high flow rate of the GSR, B16, and ITR, doing that for boost is very impractical.

Don't forget, your engine doesn't give 2 ***** what the PSI is, only what the HP is.

You can shot 90,000 psi through there and it really only matters how much air (not pressure) that is at the intake manifold. The reason why people upgrade their compressor size is to put less strain on the compressor while boosting hard.

Since the B16 flows relatively well, if he was boosting, a port 'n polish (any head work) isn't really necessary. Though since he's shooting for all motor power, it might be wanted as he'll need air flow a lot more.

Though like I said, with a good intake manifold/TB combo, a GOOD header, port 'n polish, maybe a set of more aggressive cams in there and a good dyno tune he'll be able to hit 180 or so. 250 is pretty high for an all motor B16, a lot of people don't think it is. Not to mention the fact everybody bases their numbers off of what they see on hmotorsonline.com which just ISN'T how it works when you account for drivetrain loss.

I'm not badgering anybody here - I'm just stating what my point of view on the situation is.