Siberian Husky

right now my jdm b16 bored 1.8 itr pistons gsr cams just isnt cuttin it..and i want 200 whp PRIOR to boosting it turbo...many people say b16s are possible 200 whp motors but my best bet is to swap in somethin else...i dont wanna do the ls/vtech conversion simply because of the reliability issue..should i just swap in a b18c5..h22a?..or continue with my b16 and build it up..new cams, sleeves, injectors,manifold...etc?

ThatsMyEG

why dont you just buy a gsr block, ls crank, and use your itr pistons with some big cams that would be the cheapest thing to do..

nota-eg

A lot of the things you're looking for to push you to 200whp NA will have to be changed FI. Like Cams. NA cams have a longer duration as opposed to turbo cams, which are high-lift, low duration.

EikoU

why wouldn't a ls/vtec setup be reliable? as long as it is built correctly and not beat on everyday then i don't see why it wouldn't be reliable..200whp is possible with a b16 but building it up to 200whp would consist of using aggressive cams and high compression pistons which you will HAVE to get rid of when going turbo so it would be pointless..you might as well just start building the motor for FI now and save the money and hassle..

nota-eg

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by bxjdmhatch &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">why wouldn't a ls/vtec setup be reliable? as long as it is built correctly and not beat on everyday then i don't see why it wouldn't be reliable..200whp is possible with a b16 but building it up to 200whp NA would consist of using aggressive cams and high compression pistons which you will HAVE to get rid of when going turbo so it would be pointless..you might as well just start building the motor for FI now and save the money and hassle..</TD></TR></TABLE>

Good advice.

AnDThEnWuT

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Siberian Husky &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">right now my jdm b16 bored 1.8 itr pistons gsr cams just isnt cuttin it..and i want 200 whp PRIOR to boosting it turbo...many people say b16s are possible 200 whp motors but my best bet is to swap in somethin else...i dont wanna do the ls/vtech conversion simply because of the reliability issue..should i just swap in a b18c5..h22a?..or continue with my b16 and build it up..new cams, sleeves, injectors,manifold...etc?</TD></TR></TABLE>

I doubt you have a b16. How can you spell vtec wrong when its rite there on your freakin valvecover.

vc

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by AnDThEnWuT &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I doubt you have a b16. How can you spell vtec wrong when its rite there on your freakin valvecover.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Haha now thats funny...


well first of all u already spent money on the b16.. now u want to get a b18c5? or even h22a? lol....

BANNED_ID

but...why u need 200whp?

sicky

I call BULL **** on this thread. I mean, honestly, if you just bored your B16 to a 1.8 and are running ITR internals, what the **** is the point of buying a B18C5 when you just made your B16 the same motor (practically). Put some cams on it and call it a day.

Siberian Husky

"I doubt you have a b16. How can you spell vtec wrong when its rite there on your freakin valvecover."

i doubt you can read..you spelt "right" wrong and its written all over the forum..

its called force of habbit..gimme a break


for the record..i suppose i shoulda mentioned this prior to posting..i had no idea people would get so emotional over simple questions...i bought the car as it is...i didnt swap the b16a in..or do the build work...thats how i bought it..and i have money left over..and was asking about the swaps in hopes maybe i could sell the engine i have and start new with my own ideas..or continue building on...but i want to eventually do FI..itr pistons arent good for FI?...

also i was under the impression that forums like these were a good way to build foundation of knowledge on hondas...i searched and read daily..and if theres something i cant find im going to ask...

vc

rite and right is more ... how do u say... .... lets just say the difference between vtec and vtech are way different as to rite and right. right? :D


anyways I'm not here to flame anyone.. if u want 200whp with NA, its going to be alot of money.. why do you want 200whp??

Siberian Husky

just because this is my first opportunity to make this car a project..i never had a car that i could respectfully tune and mod..now that i have a nice 00 si..and a steady good paying job...im gunna do what i'v always wanted to do..mod, tune, and learn..

vc

sounds good

Siberian Husky

i didnt know they was a difference in an FI motor and an N/A....so i couldnt throw a JRSC on my motor cause it has itr pistons and the compression is too much?...or is it just with turbo because of the isolated massive boost gain?..

Edit: anyone know any websites with pdf guides or instructional guidance on buidling an ls/vtec motor..or a b18 turbo motor...i'd search but the info would be scattered and i know theres gotta be something out there like that..


Modified by Siberian Husky at 12:00 AM 9/22/2005

FalkenSiR

Good luck mating a b18 bottom end to a vtech phone.

lone

before you do anything to your motor just spend some time in the forced induction section and the all motor section. then decide which way you want to go. the motor setups will be different

Siberian Husky

lol wtf? @ fast88stud

EikoU

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Siberian Husky &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">i didnt know they was a difference in an FI motor and an N/A....so i couldnt throw a JRSC on my motor cause it has itr pistons and the compression is too much?...or is it just with turbo because of the isolated massive boost gain?..</TD></TR></TABLE>

There is a big difference between a FI and n/a motor especially when building them for high horsepower..the difference is that in an N/A setup you would normally use high compression pistons and aggressive cams; ex- 13:0:1 compression with skunk2 stage 2 cams and in a FI setup u would use low compression pistons and stock or turbo cams; ex- 9:5:1 compression with integra type r cams OR gsr cams...Lets suppose ur motor is a stock b16, you could throw a turbo kit on there BUT due to the lack of low compression you wouldn't be able to boost very high, i believe no more than 9psi or else say goodbye to ur motor or at least the block..So with that said you can either choose to build ur b16 as is for turbo or u can use a different platform such as ls/vtec which would yield more torque because of the crank as opposed to a b16 crank..the choice is urs, it just makes no sense to build ur b16 now for all motor to later change it up for turbo which u will have to do..

Siberian Husky

thanks..by far the most informative on this thread...

i pretty much made my decision..and will be selling my b16a shortly and going ls/vtec for turbo..i just am sketchy on doing the whole ls/vtec gig simply because i have zero to none experience with building or the first thing about putting together a turbo engine..but i guess i could stop being a little bitch about it..i gotta learn someday..thanks for your input guys

EikoU

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Siberian Husky &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">thanks..by far the most informative on this thread...

i pretty much made my decision..and will be selling my b16a shortly and going ls/vtec for turbo..i just am sketchy on doing the whole ls/vtec gig simply because i have zero to none experience with building or the first thing about putting together a turbo engine..but i guess i could stop being a little bitch about it..i gotta learn someday..thanks for your input guys</TD></TR></TABLE>

Don't worry, I was the same way about doing my ls/vtec turbo setup at first but i did some major research and found that it can make great power using the right parts and good tuning..Jeff Evans in PA has made a lot of power on a lot of ls/vtec setups using neptune and stock sleeves..but while u consider doing the turbo setup don't be so quick to sell ur b16 because this more than likely won't happen over night so then u can't drive around in ur SI..you already have 2 important things which is your b16 head and b16 trans(presuming it is b16 trans..) so now all u need is to find a ls block and start from there..pistons, rods, rod bolts, new oil and water pump, timing belt etc..get some parts for ur head such as aftermarket dual valve springs and retainers and since u already have gsr cams, their good with turbo..but all this depends on how high u want to rev ur motor and how much power u intend on making..good luck..

greebler

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by bxjdmhatch &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">why wouldn't a ls/vtec setup be reliable? as long as it is built correctly and not beat on everyday then i don't see why it wouldn't be reliable..200whp is possible with a b16 but building it up to 200whp would consist of using aggressive cams and high compression pistons which you will HAVE to get rid of when going turbo so it would be pointless..you might as well just start building the motor for FI now and save the money and hassle..</TD></TR></TABLE>

Fool, don't you read anything? Ls/vtec is for people who have nothing better to do but dump countless dollars into their car. This is due to hte fact that it will break down, due to the fact that it shouldn't be done with those internals mixed together. Just boost it and be done with it! Save your money and time!

mugen mj5

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by AnDThEnWuT &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

I doubt you have a b16. How can you spell vtec wrong when its rite there on your freakin valvecover.</TD></TR></TABLE>


YOU IDIOT... THIS GUY GOES ON HONDA- "TECH" SO MUCH THAT HE TYPED "TEC" JUST AS IF HE WAS LOGING ON TO THE SITE... WHO THE HELL ARE YOU ANYWAYS?!?!?!?
THE SPELLING BE POLICE?!?!?

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAH

ThatsMyEG

Your gonna need a turbo if your gonna wanna hang w/ the all motor hatchs..