delsolio1996

Hi there. Im relatively new at this. I want to get more power for my d16y8 delsol. any suggestions? I dont want to spend a fortune on my car. I want a good power increase(50-100hp) My friend is offering to sell me a b18gsr with vafc incl.. I dont know what a good offer is. <U></U> any suggestions on whether I should turbo my engine or supercharge? I like the idea of a homemade turbo setup but dont have the knowledge to do it myself. I checked out homemadeturbo.com and cheapturbo.com and didnt really see a very good step by step process on how to do it. my engine is up there on miles with 119,000+ . what can I do to a b18gsr for more power if I buy it? is it worthwhile to turbo it? or just port and polish/high compr pistons and all that. thanks for your help in advance and look foward to your suggestions.

alwaysoverkill

with higher mileage on the D16 i'd say swap for the B18C1 GSR. Usually i'd say turbo the D16 to 200whp which would kill the GSR and actually kill much larger engines too, but that high mileage would worry me. Could always get a leakdown and compression test.

50-100hp increase....turbo is the only way you'll get that on D16. Even GSR engine installed won't be 100hp over the D16, it'd be about 50hp increase and would cost about $2500-$3000 I believe. Sorry I know cdn prices so us it may be alittle cheaper but I can't imagine it'd be cheaper then $2500

Turbo with quick spool up making 200whp would be fast. full boost at 3000rpm until 7000rpm would be good since 3000rpm is daily usable unlike a turbo that gives boost at 4500rpm.

delsolio1996

thanks for your help. so your saying 2500$ USD is what your first/respectable offer would be for a b18 gsr w/ vafc? anything lower would be laughable? also engine has 112,000 not 119 but close anyways.

thanks very much for your help.

delsolio1996

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by alwaysoverkill &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">with higher mileage on the D16 i'd say swap for the B18C1 GSR. Usually i'd say turbo the D16 to 200whp which would kill the GSR and actually kill much larger engines too, but that high mileage would worry me. Could always get a leakdown and compression test.

50-100hp increase....turbo is the only way you'll get that on D16. Even GSR engine installed won't be 100hp over the D16, it'd be about 50hp increase and would cost about $2500-$3000 I believe. Sorry I know cdn prices so us it may be alittle cheaper but I can't imagine it'd be cheaper then $2500

Turbo with quick spool up making 200whp would be fast. full boost at 3000rpm until 7000rpm would be good since 3000rpm is daily usable unlike a turbo that gives boost at 4500rpm.</TD></TR></TABLE>
how much for a leakdown and comp test?

actually his(b18c) engine is JDM so I guess you leave the 1 off??thats what he says neway.

ya I would love a turbo with quick spoolup. how much would everything cost though? probably more than the gsr right? that is if I get it for 2500$.....or lesswink wink brad!!


also with the gsr it has a high compression already so turbo no good right on that?

thanks very much for your help.


Modified by delsolio1996 at 2:18 PM 3/27/2006

vtecspeed1320

You definitely need to turbo!! Check out http://www.turbod16.com !! Go here and start researching, you will be astounded by some of the power levels put down by some SOHC's

hondamark35

my co-worker did a b18 swap, ported, polished, full exh. real nice set-up, and now he is wishing he had done a D-series turbo. do tons of research, learn how to do it yourself, it's more rewarding that way. put a kit together, hold out for deals (careful-not just low prices, but good value for the $) and get your stock motor in good shape. if you go the turbo route, going back to stock later on will be much easier than having to swap motors again.

**DOHC HaTcH**

go with the b18c1... unless you feel like doing a rebuilt soon after you boost your d16.. good luck... but best advice is to go with the engine that has the most potential and in this case that is the gsr motor.

The_Todd

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by **DOHC HaTcH** &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">go with the b18c1... unless you feel like doing a rebuilt soon after you boost your d16.. good luck... </TD></TR></TABLE>

LOL...ok buddy, keep believing that.

&lt;---boosted for almost 6 months and STILL get 35mpg and could absolutely rape a b series. But thanks for playing .

My vote goes for boosting the d16y8 because for around 1200 you can get a damn nice setup that will get you more power than a b18. Just be sure to do the smart thing and get it tuned and don't run a fmu...your engine will thank you later as will your mpg's .

Chong

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by delsolio1996 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> I dont want to spend a fortune on my car. </TD></TR></TABLE>

Boost the D.

delsolio1996

any links to a step by step guide to building a turbo setup for a d16y8 or similar? and you said that it can be done building your own setup for about 1200?? also how much does a leak/compression test run you?

alwaysoverkill

donno how much for leakdown/compression but turbod16.com will help with the turbo info.

alacard

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by delsolio1996 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">and you said that it can be done building your own setup for about 1200?? </TD></TR></TABLE>

it all depends on what you buy, what you dont buy, if you get a deal or not etc....it can be anywhere from 1,000 to 3,500 for a kit. putting together a kit isnt as easy as it might sound. i researched for a while, and still didnt feel comfortable enough to put my own kit together...i ended up spending 2,000 on a greddy prebuilt kit (and added an intercooler and blow off valve). its all about how far you want to go and if you want new or used...but i think having the prebuilt kit is a good start for someone like myself who has never touched an import... no it might have not been the cheapest, but if i had gone with piecing together a kit i would be left with a car in pieces.

delsolio1996

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by alwaysoverkill &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Turbo with quick spool up making 200whp would be fast. full boost at 3000rpm until 7000rpm would be good since 3000rpm is daily usable unlike a turbo that gives boost at 4500rpm.</TD></TR></TABLE>

how would I do this quick spoolup? a t3 turbo? I would like full boost at 3000rpm. 200whp would this require rods pistons? better fuel pressure?

**DOHC HaTcH**

this is to the kid that thinks his sohc turbo is bad ***: delsolio's motor has 120k on it (not the smartest thing to be boosting without a rebuild), and if <U>YOU</U> are running around this mileage your probably only running around 5 psi... congrats on that achievement... oh and and about raping b series motors.. your probably RAPING a internally stock b16a with an intake and a fat *** fart can... thats just great
BOOSTED D SERIES VS. STOCK B16... AND YOU RAPED!!!!!!!!!!! YOU SHOULD BE SOOOO PROUD!!!

alacard

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by **DOHC HaTcH** &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
BOOSTED D SERIES VS. STOCK B16... AND YOU RAPED!!!!!!!!!!! YOU SHOULD BE SOOOO PROUD!!!</TD></TR></TABLE>

and about a thousand bucks richer...i would be proud

**DOHC HaTcH**

y would u be proud wen your gonna have to use that money for a rebuilt wen you melt a piston after running 8 psi. Not a smart decision.. start with a motor that has potential. or even more potential than your current motor. point is= if you want to boost your d series motor you are goin to need a major tune up... thats it... plain and simple.. would you rather spend your money on a expensive tune up or start off with a motor that can last you for a while. good luck

The_Todd

Kid? Please, you don't even know me so keep your immature bullshit comments to yourself. Also, please state where I said my turbo setup was so "bad ***".

120K oh n03s!!1!!11 I've had a couple hondas that have went over 200K and had perfect compression across the board. Fact is, do a compression test and see how healthy the motor is. You honestly cannot state that mileage alone is enough to warrant your comments. 120K on a well maintained honda motor is just being broken in.

No, if I'm going to boost I would be doing more than that. If I had a weak axle or clutch I would only go about 5-6 but if compression tests show well then you better believe that motor will be seeing 8-10psi.

Thanks...honestly it takes more fabrication "skill" to turbo a non-turbo'd honda versus dropping in a motor that came like that from factory in japan.

Well dollar for dollar (which the OP made apparent) the boosted D will win hands down.

$2400 on a b16 making roughly 150-160whp and 110wtq

OR

$1200-1400 on a turbo setup making 200whp and roughly the same torque

Easy decision for me as the b16 makes no torque even after mods . My setup on 8psi makes roughly 190-200whp and about 200wtq and I still get 35mpg and it's as reliable as ever because of the tune.

I would be and I am. I like surprising the dual cam elitist thinking that dohc vtec is the only honda motor worth having and judging by your username that seems to be the case with you. Fact is, my car is still slow and there is ALWAYS a faster car. I just wanted to make good power and retain my stock gas mileage (actually increased from 28-35) and not have to spend 3K for a swap. I built my car for myself and enjoy it so you can stop with your acustations and immature comments. Bottom line is dollar for dollar, boosted d wins and you lose and if you don't know anything about a turbocharged d-series then you shouldn't get hurt when someone knows first hand.

But thanks for coming out.

edit: if you don't believe me here is a stock d16y8 (NOT MINE) with a t3 super 60 @ 10psi:



***not my dyno as I will be doing mine as soon as summer hits***

**DOHC HaTcH**

B18B, HOMEMADE TURBO SET UP... GT40 at 12psi.. running low 12s for 2400... while your d is probably grazing 13s... quick but not quick enough... and your right , there will always be a faster car... im not saying the d's arent fast im just saying that 2 cams is always better than one.

speedball3

Why are two cams better than one? What are you doing with two cams that cannot be done with one?

SOHC vs DOHC arguments aside, to mr. delsolio, whatever you do, make sure you do plenty of research BEFORE you go out and buy stuff. If you're gonna boost and piece together a kit, understand what's going on w/all the diff parts u'll be buying before you do anything. Save yourself the time and hassle of having to buy and sell parts b/c you find out you got the wrong stuff or you change your mind and do something else.

Budget EJ

This is an interesting discussion. I'm in the same boat with my d16y8 with 75k on the dial and wishing I had more power. It looks as if I'll start checking out the different turbo options since my funds are also quite limited

imm0rt41

I'd build that y8 bottom end and boost the crap out of it if it were my choice and I had the money for it. You can get rediculous power out of boosted SOHCs, but a lot of people over look it =P

delsolio1996

well right now Im only going to play it somewhat safe with 10 psi. but in the future I'll probably want more who knows. my question is can I get away with stock sleeves? pistons? what should I upgrade for just 10psi? also my friend suggested I get a map sensor that wont bog down like the stock one does at anything over 6psi. which map do I get? and where?

ZacCarter

iTrader: (1)

Psi has nothing to do with anything, you should be able to get 275 h.p. on stock sleeves with a good tune.

-Gary-

Ken, how much did you spend on your setup? Were you able to retain your A/C?

Hybrid-Fusion

Turbo D-Series is my opinion. D-Series parts are a dime a dozen.