ser13

I been looking at stocker kits that make b16 to 2.0L is it worth the money my goal is 230-250 hp daily driver how much would i be getting out of this setup by also building the head hp/tq

ke98248

iTrader: (1)

I wouldn't.. Going from 1.6 to 2.0 on a b16, that just doesn't sound like a solid plan or route to go. I'd suggest boost for you. $1,500 is about how much it'll cost if you can piece together your items inexpensively.

philosofy1

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if NA is the setup you want to go with, it'll be cheaper to just buy a 1.8 block plus the internals.

Padawan

Have you actually researched the difficulties involved in creating a 250 whp N/A B-series daily driver? I think you may have to alter your goals to something a bit more realistic, or consider forced induction.

robfrmny21

dude with some nice cams and a good porting like endy type work you could get 230-240crank hp with a 1.6 @ 11 plus compression.

but to get even to 220whp is gonna cost alot of $$$.

**** doing the 1.6l work to get it to 230crank hp is gonna be pusing 2k close to 3k. you have to be more broad with whats looking for and share with us that so we can help you better.

your gonna get flamed on for a broad and unrealistic post

vdawg559

god dam, 1.6 to 2.0 lolz, swap b20 a 2.0 den get ur b16 head an drop it in. after that buy all the internal, etc, get it dyno tune, an ur done deal.

Ron454321

Much better buying the B20 block as stated, building a frankenstein, what I would do if I wasn't so damn broke.

black_EM1

Not too long ago, someone tried to make a stroker B16 with an LS crank and custom rods. Let's just say it didn't work.

You're better off getting a B20, or boost, maybe both.

poison

Boost, B20/vtec, H22, or K20 is your answer.

ke98248

iTrader: (1)

Turboing the b16 to about 260whp would be the cheapest and wisest choice.

1sickEJ

.. well your goal for a 2.0L is a solid plan theres no there no replacement for displacement may i suggest the imfamous LS/Vtec will run you cheaper than a turbo or a stoker kit that will hit your wallet for upwards of 1700.. b18b bottom ends r cheap to get and you can always put you stoker kit on there and achevie your 2.0L goal but i would go ls/vtec and build your head it will keep you in your budget and give you some big power gains hopefully your running a b16 tranny.. after you build up some more money for your project you can go 2.0L or dare i suggest 1.9L with some high comp. pistons if your going all motor..

1sickEJ

almost forgot.. your in socal so i can hook you up with my mechanic cee at cee's auto tech he can hook you up Pm for details i can get you a qoute for what ever you want done.

NOFX

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You're better off getting a B20, or boost, maybe both.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Link?

suicide_shift

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haha UPLAND im close....isnt dr. charles up there now? or somewhere in the area, either that or in NORCO with skunk2????????

OP im EVEN closer to you moreno valley!

damn this site is FILLED with socal'ers tight
anyways

OP if want a reliable 230 WHP build look into the k series. i know alot of these ******/ethugs will talk **** and ill keep getting **** for this. but if you look at the money spent sleeving, buying pistons, fuel rails, fuel pumps, decent manifolds, milling and porting. you'll see its almost to where a k swap will be in price. if not more.

i think mike from laskey racing in murrieta, charges what 2500 for a re-sleeve picked up.

96ItrTurbo

Its very easy to make power with a stroker style setup, We made some big numbers on a 1.6 block with erl sleeves bored to a 2.0 with a ls crank custom rods and custom self pistons. We were making almost 3oowhp on c16 race gas and around 245 on pump gas, and its very reliable. Cams in that setup on huge too, you need some good allmotor cams like toda or Jun.

Ricey McRicerton

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x2

You might be able to get it done, but it's going to cost a ton and end up causing you a lot of headaches. I think right around 210 whp is the point of diminishing returns on a B series the majority of the time.

black_EM1

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Link?</TD></TR></TABLE>

Aw man, I don't even remember. If you look up the Tech43 kit, that's it.

Wait....


https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=1057340

There you are.

ser13

yea i have been looking into b20v i already got the b20 and a b16 head. i just wanted to see if would be a good idea to stroke the b16 because i wanted to be a super sleeper because its going in a em1 si no one would expect it to be a 2.0L plus if cops ever pop my hood they wont be able to say sh** lol

NightCat

B20 VTEC is probably your best bet..I dont see how you could purely Stroke a B16 out an addition 400cc...I dunno if a B17 crank would work to make it a 1.7...I dont know much about the DB2s but Im sure someone does..

Regardless, B20 VTEC is good if you really want what Little Tq a honda motor can produce...yet Ive also heard that the cylinder walls are that much thinner on a B20 and if you're gonna put a VTEC Head on you might as well just go LS/VTEC due to the cylinder strength...unless you want to sleeve the B20...yet...if it'll be just N/A with out any major power adders..it should be fine..

No matter what you do, you'd be surprised how much a good tune can help. I've seen 5+whp and 3MPG gains on an ALL STOCK B18B with just a good tune..dont believe me...check out www.serviontuning.com look at Kristyn's. (the tuner's wife)

Regardless, Depending on what you want...B20 VTEC or LS/V.

96DelSol

Just get a B20 block with a B16 Head, then do the mods like I/H/E, then intake manifold, camshafts, pistons, rockers, lifters etc..

Deetz

Why? because everyone else is doing it?

IMO, there are even better options. Let's see, here's my B20Z swap in a 96 civic cx hatch



Next, you pick up a used JR supercharger (they can be had for $800-1000)



Guess what? This way you get a more powerful engine setup, that is just, if not more reliable than a vtec head swap, but no comparison in power, not even close. Good for 220-230hp at the wheels at 9 lbs boost

As opposed to what you suggest- vtec head swap

- vtec head and manifold, fuel rail, injectors $400-$500
- dizzy $100
- Golden Eagle conversion kit $250
- ecu $100ish

This combo makes about 190whp and 140 ft lbs torque (about 50 ft lbs less than the supercharger)

So, i ask why?

DC2-ProdUcTiOnS

iTrader: (2)

makin 250 whp on a N/A B-series isnt out of the ? at all if your doing it right with a nice budget...and if you have a B20/vtec you should EASILY be making 230+ whp with the correct tune and minor components added. Take a look at Evan's Tuning and his dyno graphs for B20's. He is consistently making great power. Why would you want to try to make a 1.6 into 2.0? by the time you get the 1.6 to be a block that has good output #'s, you could have built a nice LS block, built a B20 block, or even gotten a ITR block and redone almost any one of those for a fresh build. Forget the B16. You have to throw SO much at it to get the results you want without boosting it. If your going to boost it, then have a field day cause they love boost. But since im a N/A guy, it took me a little while to realize i could either throw the bank at my B16 just to end up where the JDM ITR starts at. So i traded my B16 for a MINT JDM ITR and $1400. Now ive done just a little bit of upgrades to the R and im happy every time i drive it.

Lets say you were going to buy the stroker kit as you stated. The stroker kits for B16's are generally $1650-2000. Plus another 500+ to have it all put together. Plus labor cost of doing the swap unless you do it yourself. So lets say in total you have around $2350 to spend.

Sell B16 = $1400-1800 (depending on condition)


You now have the $2350 you had to spend, plus lets say $1650 from the B16. So a total of $4000.

You can now:

- Buy a complete ITR Swap
- Build LS-Vtec
- Build a mild B20

You need to do some lengthy research before you pull the trigger on this one. I just saw someone on here that had a built ITR head for $1250!!! Port and polished, new springs, valves, and retainers. The machining alone cost $1500!!! Buy something like that, throw it on a semi-built LS block or B20, some decent cams, and you would have a hell of a DD while still staying around your budget. The biggest thing you would need to do if your going to do a build of this caliber is TUNE. Be in contact with whoever you are going to have tune your vehicle and if they are good, they should be able to give you some tips and pointers on what TO DO and what NOT to do. They do this for a living and will (should) have the best advice for your setup and the best power...Fortunately, there are SOOOOO many different combinations to be done with B-series motors. As i stated before, do some research and take time to find what suits you. Plus, if you do all this work and get it tuned and it only barely breaks 200 whp would you be disappointed? If its a ******* blast to drive and its reliable, then enjoy it. Its just a #...

Dc2

kulo

b20 supercharged
nice

818ek9

Kinda of a noob to da b20 topic.......how would I start on a ek9......do I buy da motor and tranyy sepretly or wat

NightCat

usually if you buy a complete swap you get motor, trans, shift linkages, ECU, harness..all the **** you need to swap other than mounts