nierro1

alright guys, b4 you guys tell me how much of a noob i am or a "ricer" i am let me just say this.. *cough*: i am a noob but not a ricer!
ok so i dont really know lot about cars.... but i do know that i like cars and loves del sol. getting a sol from a friend of mine as a b-day gift but no engine. i searched tru and found out that honda D engines are for me! not costy and "easy to mod"
i really want to get the sol and make it nice! (cuz that's how sol should be treated... sigh that sexy beast) but every time i ask my friend about sol they are like.... WTF? honda? front wheel drive? gtfo! you should get a supra like me! or 300 like him! and i am like *in my head: i will kick your *** with this sol one day"

SO~!
i was wondering which of the D16 engine should i get?
i know that there are 15 d16s out there... but which is the good one? i looked it up in the wiki (yeah i know i know wiki blowz) and it said 1988 D16A1 has 270 HP?! and i am like hmmm that's the most strongest that i've heard of...
ok so which should i get? which would you get? tell me plz :-D and explain

D16A1
D16A3
D16A6
D16A7
D16A8
D16A9
D16W7
D16Y3
D16Y5
D16Y7
D16Y8
D16Y9
D16Z5
D16Z6
D16Z9
and how much do these engines cost? do you know

x0!

no d16 comes anywhere close to 270hp stock.

obd1 or obd2 would be best. what model sol are you getting? are you prepared to have to rewire if needed?

nierro1

not atm.... obd and obd2? i tough those were just a comp for the engine. hmmm well i am still searching around to see which one to get. and it's a 1998 sol.

iluvmy2000civicex

I suggest the D16Y8. Its whats in my 2000 Civic Ex (EJ8). They can be had for cheap and they are pretty simple. IMO the best D series engine made by Honda. It can handle all the abuse you can throw at it... or all Ive been able to throw at it anyway! It you plan to boost in the future this would be a good choice to go with... keep in mind the limit on a stock D series engine is around 240whp tho. BTW you want one that is Vtec... the D16Y8 is... it provides the only real power a D series can make without boost.

iluvmy2000civicex

OBD0 OBD1 and OBD2 are not ECUs or computers. It relates to the wiring harness. The most basic way to explain it for you is that it basically tells you the number of o2 sensors the car has. OBD0 has none.... OBD1 has 1 in the header downpipe... OBD2 has 2 1 in the header downpipe and 1 in the catalytic converter. The D16Y8 I suggested above is OBD2. I prefer OBD1 but OBD2 is fine as well.

iluvmy2000civicex

i would also suggest searching and finding out what motor cam stock in that 98 sol and stick one of those in there. This wasy you wont have to rewire it as you will be able to keep the wiring harness and ECU if they didnt strip it with the motor.

blk92_d16

Z6 or Y8, hands down the most aftermarket support and by far the easiest to play on.

GL on the SOL!

del_soldude

i have a 93 del sol with a d16z6 its a helluva motor but what nobody is telln u is its hard to find new parts

iluvmy2000civicex

Yea the Z6 is probably the strongest of all D series motors but the Y8 is close.

iluvmy2000civicex

Hard to find new parts? BS! Are you talking about new part specifically for your sol or specifically for the Z6? Are you talking about aftermarket or OEM? Id have to disagree. You just have to know where to get them.

nierro1

240hp at max huh? i see... i was hoping more from the D engines. so where can i get the D16z6 from? i am thinking of getting them from like a junkyard or somthing... what do you guys think of like turbo for the z6? and lets say... you have 6000 bucks. what would you get on the sol? it's 1998 sol just a reg sol. :-D

rSol93

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There was never a 1998 del sol, production was 1993-1997. With 6 grand you could go another route and swap in a B series, which is alot more powerful than a D series.

NOFX

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The OP should figure out the information about the actual car he's getting first so he can know what he's in store for. Will he want to add any other parts to the car based on what the trim level is?

OP, as mentioned before the US del Sol was available from 1993-1997. It came in three trim levels: S, Si and VTEC. The VTEC model was only available for 1994-1997.

The S came with either a D15B7 (1.5L SOHC non-VTEC) for '93-'95 or a D16Y7 (1.6L SOHC non-VTEC) for '96-'97.

The Si came with either a D16Z6 (1.6L SOHC VTEC) for '93-'95 or a D16Y8 (1.6L SOHC VTEC) for '96-'97.

The VTEC came with either a B16A3 (1.6L DOHC VTEC) for '94-'95 or a B16A2 (1.6L DOHC VTEC) for '96-'97.

The VTEC model is not any del Sol with a VTEC engine. This seems to be a common mistake. The VTEC model only had the DOHC VTEC engine.

Some of the earlier models also had seal issues on the targa top and are prone to leaking. This can be a costly repair, but if you have $6,000 to dump into the car you might want to think about investing in that early.

Take any information from Wikipedia with a grain of salt.

NOFX

itsmejto, couldn't you have just LINKED that HUGE article instead of posting all of the page, including all of it's off topic contact info and such?

Oh, and the OP already knows about Wikipedia. You don't have to quote the entire thing again. He mentioned it in his first post.

iluvmy2000civicex

These guys are right there was never a 98 sol. You need to at least know what car youre getting before you start posting about turboing a motor you dont have for a car you dont have. But when I said 240whp is the max for D series motors that are turboed with stock internals. You can make MUCH more power than this with a D motor if you redo the head and build the bottom end with say... some Skunk 2 internals and then turbo it. The only way you will be able to do any of this if with a great tune. A good tune is what makes or breaks a turbo build... or any build for that matter. And as far as the motor goes... I still stick to recommending the Y8. But you cant go wrong with the Z6 either. And the place to find this stuff would be HondaMarketplace.com when your trial status ends. I would stay away from junkyard motors if I were you. To risky.

95delsolz6

Op, check craigslist, there's usually something worth while on there.
itsmejto, wtf?

90_EX_Civic

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that's for stock internals, it can handle a lot more when forged internals. i think somewhere in the range of 400, but that's turbo and built to hell.

Mugen112

Grab a d16y7 non-vtec unit from someone with a 96-00 civic usually the dx/lx/cx models. Swap the intake mani from a y8 engine. Buy some vitara pistons and eagle rods along with some ARC bearings and ARP head studs for about 500 total in parts. Then piece together your own turbo kit for anywhere from $700 to $2000 and you will have a 300whp+ engine for less than swap would cost you.

nierro1

my bad, i ment 93. lol

itsmejto

oh, sorry, you must mean linked like this ?

https://honda-tech.com/zerothread/2004368 , now that's a grenade !!!

At least mine was only a text file, ok it took a little while to load, but I thought it was of general interest to all.

Ice78transam

Get a Z6. Y8's like to spin rod bearings. Z6 a little more hearty.

Cowtit

i just picked up a z6 complete motor with extra head and many other extras for 300 bones, from an add i found on craigslist.... i love that site.

gibsanez

Get a D22 or a D20. Whoops, typo, I meant H22 or K20.

apexi_rsx

y8 has a balanced crank its not the best motor. the a6 has a steel girddle but i myself prefer the z6....

Syndacate

Get a D16Z6, or a JDM D15B.

EDIT:
The First letter is the engine code (D, B, H, F, etc. series), the next two numbers are displacement. So D15 is a 1.5L D series engine. The last two are just the flavor of the engine, like the difference between the D16Y7 and the D16Y8 is the Y7 is a bit more economical and doesn't have VTEC, also has longer gears.
/EDIT

Don't be fooled by people telling you the Y8 is good - it's not, it's a heap of ****, I have one now, it runs fine, but in terms of performance it really doesn't hold a candle to the Z6, regardless of people telling you it's the same thing. It might have 2 more peak HP at the fly, but those are mid-ranged HP, and it loses its gain up high, the Z6 &gt;&gt; Y8, I know, I've had both, and driven both to make sure it wasn't just my car, the Y8 blows, it was designed to have more power mid-ranged because people didn't want to redline it to get power out of it, it was designed to be more of a "friendly" engine, providing more "mid-ranged torque" for people to zip around daily with - I hate it.

My friend's Y8 feels like crap, my Y8 feels like crap, I thought it was just b/c he beat on his and I don't know what my last owner did - swapped in a new Y8 into mine with only 70k, and it still feels like ****.

Oh yeah, also, you see Y8's with spun bearings all the time because their oil pump was an afterthought.