Originally Posted by itrdave

Regarding markups...

Honda could have reduced need for markups by supplying more cars - they control the supply in supply/demand equation...

Originally Posted by PaulMc

It's sort of good Honda didn't make more of them. Then they'd be everywhere, every Honda ricer idiot would have one and it'd just be like an Si and not as special. IMO.

Originally Posted by George Knighton

As the more of the CTR have been showing up, more and more people are reporting purchases with no markup at all, just MSRP.

At MSRP, it's an extraordinary buy.

For me, it's not a car for everyday use, but I'm sure for many of you it might very well fit the bill.

Originally Posted by junkyard racer

The Wait Is Nearly Over: New 2017 Honda Civic Type R Makes Global Debut at Geneva Motor Show - Honda News

2017 Civic Type R. - Honda News

Mar 7, 2017

• First Type R-badged Honda available in the U.S. goes on sale late spring
• Most powerful, quickest, fastest and most agile Civic ever
• 2.0-liter i-VTEC® DI TURBO: 306 horsepower and 295 lb-ft. of torque
• Major chassis and suspension upgrades for track-ready performance

GENEVA – Honda today took the wraps off one of the most anticipated models in its history with the unveiling of the production 2017 Civic Type R at the Geneva Motor Show. The long-awaited Civic Type R, slated to go on sale in the U.S. in late spring with an MSRP in the mid-$30k range, is the first ever Type R-badged Honda to be sold on American soil. The Type R will feature a high performance 2.0-liter turbocharged powertrain, substantially upgraded body and chassis, and other track-ready, Nürburgring-tuned and tested performance components. The 2017 Civic Type R will make its U.S. debut at the New York International Auto Show on April 12, 2017.

"The fastest, most powerful Honda ever sold in America, the Type R caps off the incredible success story of our 10th generation Civic lineup," said Jeff Conrad, senior vice president & general manager of the Honda Division, American Honda Motor Co., Inc. "We're happy to inform our U.S. enthusiasts that the long wait for the forbidden fruit of Honda Type R performance is nearly over!"

The new Civic Type R, sharing the body style of the 5-door hatchback variant of the tenth-generation global Honda Civic platform, will be powered by a U.S.-built 2.0-liter DOHC, direct-injected and turbocharged i-VTEC in-line 4-cylinder engine with peak ratings of 306 horsepower at 6,500 rpm and 295 lb.-ft. of torque from 2,500 to 4,500 rpm. The engine will be mated exclusively to a short-throw 6-speed manual transmission with rev matching capability – employing automatic throttle blips for smoother shifts and power delivery. A new single-mass flywheel reduces clutch inertia by 25 percent versus the previous (European) Type R and a lower final gear ratio is employed to improve acceleration response.

The Civic Type R chassis builds on the major upgrades undertaken for the 10th-generation Civic makeover with model-exclusive spring, damper and bushing settings, a new Dual-Axis front suspension setup with aluminum lower arms and steering knuckles for improved at-the-limit cornering and reduced torque steer; a new four-wheel Adaptive Suspension System with three-chamber dampers; a retuned and adaptive dual-pinion electric power steering system with variable gear ratio; and a helical limited-slip front differential. Mounted to the suspension are 20-inch aluminum alloy wheels shod with 245/30R 20 Continental ContiSportContact 6 performance tires. Decisive stopping power comes from Brembo 4-pot aluminum calipers squeezing 350mm (13.8-inch) cross-drilled rotors at the front. The rear braking system features solid 305mm (12-inch) rotors.

The Type R's scalpel-sharp responses are further enhanced by a body more rigid than the substantially improved Civic Hatchback on which it's based – with a 38 percent increase in torsional rigidity and 45 percent gain in bending rigidity versus the previous Civic Type R – enhancing steering response and cornering stability while mitigating body vibration and cabin noise. The improvements are made possible by the application of structural adhesive throughout the body. Ultra-high strength steel is used for 14 percent of the body structure, and the Type R has an aluminum hood, contributing to a 16 kg (35 lb) reduction in body weight versus the previous Type R, and a 7 kg (15 lb) reduction versus the base 2017 Civic Hatchback.

The 2017 Civic Type R is designed to reward the driver in all driving conditions, on the track and on the street, and features three driving modes: Comfort, Sport (default) and +R. The driver selectable modes adjust steering and throttle response, transmission rev-matching, Vehicle Stability Assist (VSA) and the Adaptive Damper System. Utilizing new, three-chamber dampers, individual stroke sensors and three vehicle-G sensors, the new damper system offers a wider range of variability for ride comfort and dynamic handling response.

The 2017 Civic Type R will launch this spring in a single, premium-contented Touring trim. A 7-inch Display Audio touchscreen interface with embedded Honda Navigation system has both Apple CarPlay™ and Android Auto™ compatibility; and should the driver ever tire of hearing the Type R growl, a 540-watt, 12-speaker audio system with SiriusXM 2.0, HD Radio and Pandora compatibility is also provided as standard.

Additional interior Type R features include heavily bolstered sports seats, leather-wrapped steering wheel and shift boot, aluminum shift ****, aluminum sport pedals, red Type R driver's meter and serialized Type R plate on the center console.

The Civic Type R will be manufactured by Honda of the U.K. Manufacturing in Swindon, England, with its 2.0-liter turbocharged engine made by Honda of America Mfg. at its Anna, Ohio engine plant using domestic and globally sourced parts. Pricing specifics and additional details on the 2017 Civic Type R will be provided closer to launch.

Specifications and Features Overview
PowertrainEngine Type
L-4 2.0L DOHC i-VTEC turbocharged engine with dual valve timing control
Horsepower
306 horsepower @ 6,500 rpm
Torque
295 lb-ft of torque @ 2,500-4,500 rpm
Transmission
6-speed manual transmission
Chassis
Drivetrain
Front wheel drive with limited slip differential
Steering
Dual pinion electric power steering with variable ratio and active steering
Suspension
Dual axis front strut suspension and independent multilink rear suspension with adaptive damper system
Brakes
Front Brembo aluminum four piston calipers with drilled 350mm (13.8-inch) rotor brakes. Rear brakes feature solid 305mm (12-inch) rotors
Wheels
20-inch aluminum alloy wheels
Tires
245/30R 20 Continental ContiSportContact 6 performance tires
Driving Modes

• Three-mode driving dynamics control with Comfort, Sport (default) and “+R” modes adjust dampers, steering, throttle response, transmission (rev matching), VSA (vehicle stability assist) and traction control systems

Body

• Increased body stiffness over current Civic Hatchback and previous generation Type R

Exterior

• LED headlights, fog lights, brake lights and turn signals

Interior

• High-bolstered sport seats with red/black suede-effect fabric
• Leather wrapped steering wheel

• Leather wrapped shift ****
• Sport/racing pedals
• Illuminated visors

Features

• Display Audio with Navi
• Dual Auto HVAC
• XM and HD Radio

• 12 speaker 540-watt premium audio system
• Android Auto™ and Apple CarPlay™

Originally Posted by George Knighton

As the more of the CTR have been showing up, more and more people are reporting purchases with no markup at all, just MSRP.

At MSRP, it's an extraordinary buy.

For me, it's not a car for everyday use, but I'm sure for many of you it might very well fit the bill.

Originally Posted by jlsnyderTypeR

Well, I have mine, bought new last week at MSRP, and it is now my new daily. So far I am very impressed with it and my NSX may go back into storage for the rest of the Summer.

Originally Posted by jlsnyderTypeR

Well, I have mine, bought new last week at MSRP, and it is now my new daily. So far I am very impressed with it and my NSX may go back into storage for the rest of the Summer.

Originally Posted by junkyard racer

The Wait Is Nearly Over: New 2017 Honda Civic Type R Makes Global Debut at Geneva Motor Show - Honda News

2017 Civic Type R. - Honda News

Mar 7, 2017

• First Type R-badged Honda available in the U.S. goes on sale late spring
• Most powerful, quickest, fastest and most agile Civic ever
• 2.0-liter i-VTEC® DI TURBO: 306 horsepower and 295 lb-ft. of torque
• Major chassis and suspension upgrades for track-ready performance

GENEVA – Honda today took the wraps off one of the most anticipated models in its history with the unveiling of the production 2017 Civic Type R at the Geneva Motor Show. The long-awaited Civic Type R, slated to go on sale in the U.S. in late spring with an MSRP in the mid-$30k range, is the first ever Type R-badged Honda to be sold on American soil. The Type R will feature a high performance 2.0-liter turbocharged powertrain, substantially upgraded body and chassis, and other track-ready, Nürburgring-tuned and tested performance components. The 2017 Civic Type R will make its U.S. debut at the New York International Auto Show on April 12, 2017.

"The fastest, most powerful Honda ever sold in America, the Type R caps off the incredible success story of our 10th generation Civic lineup," said Jeff Conrad, senior vice president & general manager of the Honda Division, American Honda Motor Co., Inc. "We're happy to inform our U.S. enthusiasts that the long wait for the forbidden fruit of Honda Type R performance is nearly over!"

The new Civic Type R, sharing the body style of the 5-door hatchback variant of the tenth-generation global Honda Civic platform, will be powered by a U.S.-built 2.0-liter DOHC, direct-injected and turbocharged i-VTEC in-line 4-cylinder engine with peak ratings of 306 horsepower at 6,500 rpm and 295 lb.-ft. of torque from 2,500 to 4,500 rpm. The engine will be mated exclusively to a short-throw 6-speed manual transmission with rev matching capability – employing automatic throttle blips for smoother shifts and power delivery. A new single-mass flywheel reduces clutch inertia by 25 percent versus the previous (European) Type R and a lower final gear ratio is employed to improve acceleration response.

The Civic Type R chassis builds on the major upgrades undertaken for the 10th-generation Civic makeover with model-exclusive spring, damper and bushing settings, a new Dual-Axis front suspension setup with aluminum lower arms and steering knuckles for improved at-the-limit cornering and reduced torque steer; a new four-wheel Adaptive Suspension System with three-chamber dampers; a retuned and adaptive dual-pinion electric power steering system with variable gear ratio; and a helical limited-slip front differential. Mounted to the suspension are 20-inch aluminum alloy wheels shod with 245/30R 20 Continental ContiSportContact 6 performance tires. Decisive stopping power comes from Brembo 4-pot aluminum calipers squeezing 350mm (13.8-inch) cross-drilled rotors at the front. The rear braking system features solid 305mm (12-inch) rotors.

The Type R's scalpel-sharp responses are further enhanced by a body more rigid than the substantially improved Civic Hatchback on which it's based – with a 38 percent increase in torsional rigidity and 45 percent gain in bending rigidity versus the previous Civic Type R – enhancing steering response and cornering stability while mitigating body vibration and cabin noise. The improvements are made possible by the application of structural adhesive throughout the body. Ultra-high strength steel is used for 14 percent of the body structure, and the Type R has an aluminum hood, contributing to a 16 kg (35 lb) reduction in body weight versus the previous Type R, and a 7 kg (15 lb) reduction versus the base 2017 Civic Hatchback.

The 2017 Civic Type R is designed to reward the driver in all driving conditions, on the track and on the street, and features three driving modes: Comfort, Sport (default) and +R. The driver selectable modes adjust steering and throttle response, transmission rev-matching, Vehicle Stability Assist (VSA) and the Adaptive Damper System. Utilizing new, three-chamber dampers, individual stroke sensors and three vehicle-G sensors, the new damper system offers a wider range of variability for ride comfort and dynamic handling response.

The 2017 Civic Type R will launch this spring in a single, premium-contented Touring trim. A 7-inch Display Audio touchscreen interface with embedded Honda Navigation system has both Apple CarPlay™ and Android Auto™ compatibility; and should the driver ever tire of hearing the Type R growl, a 540-watt, 12-speaker audio system with SiriusXM 2.0, HD Radio and Pandora compatibility is also provided as standard.

Additional interior Type R features include heavily bolstered sports seats, leather-wrapped steering wheel and shift boot, aluminum shift ****, aluminum sport pedals, red Type R driver's meter and serialized Type R plate on the center console.

The Civic Type R will be manufactured by Honda of the U.K. Manufacturing in Swindon, England, with its 2.0-liter turbocharged engine made by Honda of America Mfg. at its Anna, Ohio engine plant using domestic and globally sourced parts. Pricing specifics and additional details on the 2017 Civic Type R will be provided closer to launch.

Specifications and Features Overview
PowertrainEngine Type
L-4 2.0L DOHC i-VTEC turbocharged engine with dual valve timing control
Horsepower
306 horsepower @ 6,500 rpm
Torque
295 lb-ft of torque @ 2,500-4,500 rpm
Transmission
6-speed manual transmission
Chassis
Drivetrain
Front wheel drive with limited slip differential
Steering
Dual pinion electric power steering with variable ratio and active steering
Suspension
Dual axis front strut suspension and independent multilink rear suspension with adaptive damper system
Brakes
Front Brembo aluminum four piston calipers with drilled 350mm (13.8-inch) rotor brakes. Rear brakes feature solid 305mm (12-inch) rotors
Wheels
20-inch aluminum alloy wheels
Tires
245/30R 20 Continental ContiSportContact 6 performance tires
Driving Modes

• Three-mode driving dynamics control with Comfort, Sport (default) and “+R” modes adjust dampers, steering, throttle response, transmission (rev matching), VSA (vehicle stability assist) and traction control systems

Body

• Increased body stiffness over current Civic Hatchback and previous generation Type R

Exterior

• LED headlights, fog lights, brake lights and turn signals

Interior

• High-bolstered sport seats with red/black suede-effect fabric
• Leather wrapped steering wheel

• Leather wrapped shift ****
• Sport/racing pedals
• Illuminated visors

Features

• Display Audio with Navi
• Dual Auto HVAC
• XM and HD Radio

• 12 speaker 540-watt premium audio system
• Android Auto™ and Apple CarPlay™

Originally Posted by Japan Domestic

Hello guys!
Today Japanese media tell us Latest News and some Pics for JDM CTR.

320hp@6500rpm!
Torque 40.8kg-m@2500～4500rpm!
Retail 4500360JPY

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Originally Posted by JRCivic1

So, MSRP on the JDM CTR is $41,400.00 ??? That's $6,500.00 more than the USDM CTR... I wonder what the differences are ???

Originally Posted by JRCivic1

So, MSRP on the JDM CTR is $41,400.00 ??? That's $6,500.00 more than the USDM CTR... I wonder what the differences are ???

Originally Posted by itrdave

Regarding markups...

Honda could have reduced need for markups by supplying more cars - they control the supply in supply/demand equation...

Originally Posted by PaulMc

It's sort of good Honda didn't make more of them. Then they'd be everywhere, every Honda ricer idiot would have one and it'd just be like an Si and not as special. IMO.

Originally Posted by TheShodan

Correct. But the markup would have happened even with more units available. That's just what dealerships that don't think of the long run do.

Originally Posted by DCFIVER

Are they already available? Ive read no more than 6000 will be released stateside for the next few years. Doesnt seem like an incentive for dealers NOT to charge more.


if this list can be belived,many are:

Honda Civic Type-R Over sticker dealer naughty list. 2016+ Honda Civic Forum (10th Gen) - Type R Forum, Si Forum - CivicX.com

Originally Posted by George Knighton

Since you’re using it as a daily driver, people might appreciate hearing more about what it is like living with one.

Thing like, does the navigation really work and are the seats working well and comfortable for a regular sized American.

We already know how it performs. :-)

Originally Posted by George Knighton

Since you’re using it as a daily driver, people might appreciate hearing more about what it is like living with one.

Thing like, does the navigation really work and are the seats working well and comfortable for a regular sized American.

We already know how it performs. :-)

Originally Posted by DCFIVER

A customer of our is 51 years old. He's been DD'ing the R for 2 months now. He moved into this car from a stock GSR that he drove for 15 years.

He says the R is very uncomfortable and not a DD'er at all. Seats are hard,suspension is stiff and the brakes squeal like crazy (says in the owners manual you will get brake squeal and it is normal)

He says he expected it to be a little rough around the edges,but it is more so than he thought it would be

. At 41, I DD an RSX with Azenis and Progress suspension. Im used to rough. I could rock an R at this point.