ajpturbopittsburgh

^way more than that if you got a proper tune

blacksipeyton

ooook soo here we go..

09 SI coupe

MODS:
Injen CAI
P2R TB spacer
Buddy Club h/e (no cats)
Brian Crower Stage 2 Cams
Flashpro

now what i need is a deacent map before professional tune.. does anyone know of or can lead me to a good map? my overlap is terrible and when i ran one of the default maps it made it worse. it also turned on my VSA and TC lights. I don't feel vtec kick and im not sure if somethings wrong.. it was a rainy day today so i couldn't get proper feel but maybe someones been down this road before?

i-VTEC_DOHC

if you go on 8 th civic and ask hondata, they will tell you to pick the closest calibration that matches your mods. so in your situation, i would try

1. Civic-Si-RRB-5-SkunkStg2 on the MAF/AFM calibration.
2. Civic-Si-Race-6-SkunkStg2 on the Map calibration.

it should hold you over until you get a professional tune, but i dont suggest you beat on your car. as far as your lights coming on, what do you mean by tc? im not good at abbreviations, sorry. but if your corresponding to the tire pressure, then put air in you tires. but i've never had any lights come on running my flashpro. my friend was telling me that the flashpro doesnt work on 09 due to the ecu serial numbers? anyone know if this is true?

blacksipeyton

tc = traction control VSA = vehicle stability assist


flashpro has a option in the claibration part for misc. clicking that shows an enable VSA option. though selecting and deselecting this didn't solve my problem. i KNOW its the flashpro creating these lights because when i went back to my map without cams added, the lights were turned off.

as for the skunk 2 configs for stage 2 cams.. i ran that map.. made the idle VERY shitty. im still not sure if the cams are sitting right with all gaps good. its just seeming to be a bad experience alltogether.

i-VTEC_DOHC

well i had a friend run cams without a tune of any sort and it ran and idled like crap.
then he got flashpro and its a whole lot better. i think u should check the valve clearances on the cams before anything.

blacksipeyton

okk.. meaasured in mm right? should be at 10?

would valve clearance be my only problem? also this might be a n00b question andive asked other before and they say absoluetly impossible but if you swap cams and keep the gears is it possible to mix up intake and exhaust side cams? just a weird thought.


have you seen any maps for buddy club h/e and injen intake with a cam spec?

ajpturbopittsburgh

^ You need to go to hondata's website and go to the forum. They have good info and you can stay up to date with the fpro and what people are doing and experiencing.

You must keep VSA enabled since you have an 09. If you want it off push your button in the car. Disabling it via fpro software is not the correct way to do it. They have only have that box there for 06 si's that did not support VSA.

You need to see a tuner. You are speculating a lot with your problems.

Cams in my opinion are not bolt on parts. You say you have a shitty idle. That is typical with more aggressive than stock cams. YOur idle probably should be at least 850 to 1000rpms. With some "hot" cams you may need to idle at 1500 before it smooths out. Thats why stock cars don't have aggressive cam profiles.

i-VTEC_DOHC

you need to contact brian crower.
the gaps are less than 10mm. and i mean from the lobe to the rocker arm.
should be like .0x. thats what feeler gauges are for.

blacksipeyton

i deffinatly agree and understood that but my problem was the box was not working so to speak..

when i choose the civic-si-race-6-skunkstg2 calibraiton, by default, the vsa box WAS NOT checked off.. making my VSA light come on, when i noticed this i reloaded the calibration, checked off the box but still my lights were on? this puzzled me.. my BIGGEST concern is vtec for i don't feel it engage what so ever. opinions on this?

ajpturbopittsburgh

You should call hondata. And make sure you have the latest version of the software and firmware. Might be a glitch.

If vtec crossover is tuned properly you should not feel or hear too much. It should be a smooth transition. It's the sudden large swings in the cam timing(phasing) that creates the noise or burst of power.

Go to you tube and watch the HOndata tuning vids

I sound like I know what I'm talking about but it's just from watching the vids and reading the forums.

I'm not sure if that box being unchecked would make you light come on. Make sure you have enough air in your tires. SOunds stupid but the tpms is sensive to underinflation. And when you are underinflated your VSA goes into a default mode for safety I think.

i-VTEC_DOHC

the lower vtec engagement point, reduces the sound and "kick" that its known to produce. try setting vtec higher at about 5000. you should hear and feel it. cuz i can hear mine at 4500 and i have the stock air box. but dont go over 6000 if vtec doesnt engage because that causes valvetrain damage. u might want to try a 3rd gear roll so if it does engage, it wont climb to quickly.

i-VTEC_DOHC

the newest version of fp manager is 1.1.2.6

Ben850

so i-VTEC, how many times have you red-lined your car in total? 50? 200?

any signs of impending doom on the motor?

ajpturbopittsburgh

^50? 200?....Hey Ben jam in, I have redlined my car thousands of times.

I had an old car and driver mag that talked about honda testing and it said they left the car at redline for almost seven days straight before it failed.

dirtySOHC's

7 days? damn....that's amazing...no wonder why I love hondas so much.

Ben850

hahaha sorry bro! it's always been a curiosity of mine with the k20z3. YES it is a Honda, but the z3 hasn't been tested nearly as much as say, the b16's/b18's

i have faith in the motor but like i said, it's a curiosity

was the car they tested in that magazine an 06+ Si?

ajpturbopittsburgh

If you watch the tuning videos for hondata it's not where the vtec is set that determines the sound and feel but how you tune the cam phasing. You want the cams to roll smoothly not abruptly. If you can hear the vtec switch over distinctly you are making less horsepower than you could be.

There is a whole section on vtec crossover tuning. You need to match the cam timing of the low and high cams before you switch to the high speed cam for vtec. The noise comes from not having these matched.

jdmeg9

every honda i have ever owned had a very noticeable cam switch over that makes no sense. ever heard a stock gsr those things have the loudest crossover i have ever heard since it had dual intake runners


does anybody know if hondata changed the programming where the oil life meter will still run after flashpro?

i-VTEC_DOHC

^it only works on maf/afm calibrations.
on map calibrations, its disabled, so u need to watch your mileage.

jdmeg9

k thnx

i-VTEC_DOHC

tbh, not more than like 40 times.
i usually hit vtec to get on the freeway but i dont go past 7k

no impending doom.

ajpturbopittsburgh

Ivtec don't deprive yourself friend...I don't need to tell you this but you are not fully experiencing the technology that honda pioneered and perfected.....What a waste if you ask me..

You will baby your car and then trade it in one day or sell it to some kid one day and he will beat the crap out of it for years to come and utilize the car to it's fullest!.....Use it up dude

i-VTEC_DOHC

1. i'm not your friend.
2. i'm not depriving myself.
3. i dont plan on selling my car to anyone. it has sentimental value to me.

ajpturbopittsburgh

1. Wrong
2. Wrong
3. Wrong

Haha relax .... damn it..If you are not my friend than that mean I don't have any...oh well

dirtySOHC's

you were just talking about getting rid of it last month?