Stage 2 crower cam
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Stage 2 crower cam
So I was considering building a new head for my civic, using a valve train kit and stage 2 cam from crower cams. I was hoping to find out from people who have installed this cam on how good it is and if its worth it. I was also wondering if anyone's cammed out their civic without building their bottom end and if so have they run into any major issues?
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There are 2 versions of the Stage 2 cam, turbo and NA. The NA can you get you more power, but is rough to run without proper tuning which means you will need K-pro. I have Stage 1 cam which works perfectly fine with stock ECU.
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if i was going to do mine all over again i would run n/a
stage 1 cam , intake ,2.675 exhaust, run the stock ecu and call it quits
all in all i spent way to much money on a d17a2 when i could of just spent it on a k20 swap
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I know it will take tuning and all to make it run properly, if I did it. But I also work with someone at my shop who has a lot of honda parts laying around and will hook me up with the parts pretty cheap for what they are so figured if I can do it cheap why not go for it. Thought it would be nice to here how this part performed for other people before I putting in the time for the install.
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is that just off the top of your head guessing or do you have numbers to show? im curious because i've been wondering if i should do stage one myself, but never actually knew if it was well worth it. additionally i am a bit skeptical on how well the motor would take to bigger lobes as far as reliability goes. it'd be nice to see actual numbers.
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is that just off the top of your head guessing or do you have numbers to show? im curious because i've been wondering if i should do stage one myself, but never actually knew if it was well worth it. additionally i am a bit skeptical on how well the motor would take to bigger lobes as far as reliability goes. it'd be nice to see actual numbers.
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As far as I've seen, lame05 is accurate. But, you'll also need to do something about tuning it... which (at best) requires K-Pro. You're looking at a few thousand dollars, for a measly 30whp (at best). And, you're still plagued with potential coolant and transmission issues. For about $5000 you could piece together a reliable K-swap.
K. haha
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If you're really savvy with a wrench, you could even save more money (in the long run) by purchasing a salvage/damaged EP3 or RSX and swapping the parts you want off of it in to your chassis, then selling off what you don't want.
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Just my opinion:
But how could 30 HP not be worth it for $500.00?
Assuming that no matter what is done to the intake and the exhaust needs to be changed. That is not a bad price for bolt-on performance.
I wish I could spend $500 on my 914 and get 30 HP, but it won't happen for under 4K.
Dan
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Just my opinion:
But how could 30 HP not be worth it for $500.00?
Assuming that no matter what is done to the intake and the exhaust needs to be changed. That is not a bad price for bolt-on performance.
I wish I could spend $500 on my 914 and get 30 HP, but it won't happen for under 4K.
Dan
But how could 30 HP not be worth it for $500.00?
Assuming that no matter what is done to the intake and the exhaust needs to be changed. That is not a bad price for bolt-on performance.
I wish I could spend $500 on my 914 and get 30 HP, but it won't happen for under 4K.
Dan
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Just my opinion:
But how could 30 HP not be worth it for $500.00?
Assuming that no matter what is done to the intake and the exhaust needs to be changed. That is not a bad price for bolt-on performance.
I wish I could spend $500 on my 914 and get 30 HP, but it won't happen for under 4K.
Dan
But how could 30 HP not be worth it for $500.00?
Assuming that no matter what is done to the intake and the exhaust needs to be changed. That is not a bad price for bolt-on performance.
I wish I could spend $500 on my 914 and get 30 HP, but it won't happen for under 4K.
Dan
what all did you do to the motor to get 30 more hp though? im curious. did you get a tune or just slap on the cam shaft and intake-exhaust?
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stage one wont need tuning many people with d17a2 run I/H/E with stage 1 crower on the factory ecu no tune just fine. in fact ive been thinking about doing myself but $$$$$$$ is my problem.
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Where can you buy this Stage 1 Cam from I cant seem to find them online? and I already have an intake on my 1.slow so if I add a Cam and a better exhaust I would be looking at 30whp? that doesn't seem to be a realistic gain.
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http://www.dezod.com/mobile/cat-camshafts4.cfm
I'm pretty sure it's been dyno proven. I've seen it and also from personal experience.
And a quick question, is Supertech Valvetrain upgrade kit will work fine with Crower Stage 2 Turbo Cam?
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From the FAQ's Q&A:
One thing you can do for a noticeable increase of WHP at an affordable price is to install a Crower Stage 1 cam. Match this with an exhaust system and an intake and you can see an increase of as much as 20 WHP. You do not need to run an aftermarket management system. The Crower Stage 1 cam will work with your stock ECU.
See post #9 for a dyno graph: https://honda-tech.com/forums/honda-civic-2001-2005-78/stage-1-cams-2844103/
See post #9 for a dyno graph: https://honda-tech.com/forums/honda-civic-2001-2005-78/stage-1-cams-2844103/
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Re: Stage 2 crower cam
Be aware that the Crower cams discussed only work on D17A2 engines, if you have D17A1 you have to swap an A2 head.
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