Madness

Ok, how this?
Phoenix Yellow
Edit: FBP (not Nighthawk Black --> I'm a dumbass, sorry)
Oem GSR





Anyone else have any questions?

Edit: Since I am obviously not blind, I declare this is the end of the story. /thread.



Modified by Madness at 11:35 PM 2/7/2007

SilverDc2

are those side skirts yours? maybe they are repainted oem gsr/ls ones.

they ARE longer, maybe they snap on differently, all i know they extend all the way to the end.

rockbottom

Good post Madness, they certainly all look the same when placed next to each other.

Now I'm confused. haha

zer0bot

Type R side skirts are 1/8 inch longer!
This has been proven over and over again.


Originally posted by lsvtecdc4 on Oct/14/04

stock itr side skirts are
1- painted from the factory
2- squared off at the edge
3- come the end of the rear fender well

stock non-itr side skirts are
1- unpainted
2- rounded off at the edge
3- come short of the rear fender well

real itr side skirts






real oem optional side skirts




stock oem unpainted non-itr side skirts





painted oem non-itr stock side skirts




Taken from this thread, https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=1212136

Madness

They are all mine.
The yellow and black are genuine ITR.
The yellow ones were purchased from Willard.
The black ones from Walker111
The Gsr are off my 95 GSR.

zer0bot

My OEM 98 GS-R side skirts do NOT go all the way to the rear wheel well like Type R skirts do on ever single Type R I have ever seen.

Madness

So what you are telling me is:

1. Not only am I blind, but
2. Honda went to the trouble (not to mention expense) of creating TWO Different Sets of Integra sideskirts?

Maybe that is the reason they have 2 different part #'s.
71800-ST7-xxxx
71850-ST7-xxxx

Oh.
Wait -- Honda did not. The 2 part #'s listed are for left and right sides. And they are cast into the plastic on the back of the skirts.
/sarcasm

Now, I don't care who has said or posted what in the past. I am telling you that they are the same piece, only ITR are factory painted.

SlammedDC2

I don't know what to take from all this, all I know is that the OEM optional skirts look better than any of the other ones ITR or not.

zer0bot

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Madness &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">So what you are telling me is:

1. Not only am I blind, but
2. Honda went to the trouble (not to mention expense) of creating TWO Different Sets of Integra sideskirts?

Maybe that is the reason they have 2 different part #'s.
71800-ST7-xxxx
71850-ST7-xxxx

Oh.
Wait -- Honda did not. The 2 part #'s listed are for left and right sides. And they are cast into the plastic on the back of the skirts.
/sarcasm

Now, I don't care who has said or posted what in the past. I am telling you that they are the same piece, only ITR are factory painted.</TD></TR></TABLE>

I never said it made sense, nor did I say you were blind.
Thanks for taking offence though.

ALL I am saying is that for the pics above and what I have seen on numerous integra is that they are different. Or I guess maybe the type r frame could be different.
I will say that I have never mounted type r skirts on a non type r chassis or vis versa.
I see that all of your skirts are the same length but I do not know what car they came off.

So my question to you is why in the pics of the ITR's That I posted do they go all the way to the rear wheel well and the pics of the non ITR's they stop 1/8 of an inch before the wheel well?
With the GS-R side skirts that you posted how far back did they go on your car?
Did you mount the ITR skirts that you have pics of on a non ITR?
If so how far back did they go.


Modified by zer0bot at 2:04 AM 2/8/2007

Madness

The yellow and black are off of 98+ ITR's. The shitty looking ones are off of my 95 GSR.

I don't know that the ITR chassis is different. I highly doubt it with regard to the sideskirts though.

I have not mounted the Yellow or black ones on my GSR, but I would be willing to in order to end this debate permanently. However, that will have to wait until tomorrow when I get back to my shop.

zer0bot

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Madness &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">The yellow and black are off of 98+ ITR's. The shitty looking ones are off of my 95 GSR.

I don't know that the ITR chassis is different. I highly doubt it with regard to the sideskirts though.

I have not mounted the Yellow or black ones on my GSR, but I would be willing to in order to end this debate permanently. However, that will have to wait until tomorrow when I get back to my shop.</TD></TR></TABLE>

I doubt that they would change the mountings on the ITR just for side skirts as well, but I know what I see. I see side skirts that go all the way to the wheel well on ITRs. As a matter of fact it would make more sense to make different side skirts than to change the chassis for looks.
Do you not see the difference in the pics I posted?


Here are the part numbers for the side skirts
ITR Black
71800-ST7-Z00ZG GARNISH ASSY., R. SIDE SILL ( FLAMENCO BLACK PEARL )
71850-ST7-Z00ZG GARNISH ASSY., L. SIDE SILL ( FLAMENCO BLACK PEARL )

ITR Yellow
71800-ST7-Z00ZN GARNISH ASSY., R. SIDE SILL ( PHOENIX YELLOW )
71850-ST7-Z00ZN GARNISH ASSY., L. SIDE SILL ( PHOENIX YELLOW )

ITR White
71800-ST7-Z00ZA GARNISH ASSY., R. SIDE SILL ( CHAMPIONSHIP WHITE )
71850-ST7-Z00ZA GARNISH ASSY., L. SIDE SILL ( CHAMPIONSHIP WHITE )

GS-R GS LS and RS ( non ITR)
71800-ST7-000 GARNISH ASSY., R.
71850-ST7-000 GARNISH ASSY., L.

Notice that the last section of the part number is Z00Z followed by a number.
But on the "regular" side skirts for all non ITRs is just 3 zeros.
They DO have different part numbers and not just because of color.

Now people will say that the last 4 numbers signify the color change but notice on the ITRs they are all the same except for the letter.
The letter is what signifies the color change.


Look below and you will see 5 different spoilers for the GS-R.
All the same spoiler but painted different colors.
Again the last letter is what signify color change not the whole last string of numbers.

71701-ST7-A00ZC SPOILER, TAILGATE ( FROST WHITE )
71701-ST7-A00ZD SPOILER, TAILGATE ( MILANO RED )
71701-ST7-A00ZP SPOILER, TAILGATE ( SUPERSONIC BLUE PEARL )
71701-ST7-A00ZU SPOILER, TAILGATE ( TAFFETA WHITE )
71701-ST7-A00ZV SPOILER, TAILGATE ( CLOVER GREEN PEARL )

zer0bot

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Madness &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

I have not mounted the Yellow or black ones on my GSR, but I would be willing to in order to end this debate permanently. However, that will have to wait until tomorrow when I get back to my shop.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Can you also write down the part numbers for each skirt as well.
I don't mind being wrong. If that is the case I just want proof.

Madness

The numbers cast on the skirts are the same. 71800/71850-ST7-0000.

The part numbers are different to represent the fact that they are finished in factory paint.

Madness

I will take more pics tomorrow, and work out getting them fitted to my gsr.

It is time for this debate to end once and for all, whether I am right or wrong.
to an intelligent discussion of a topic long debated here.

GSRdude

I am still unsure about all of this. In some of the orignal pics, I posted that I really couldn't tell a difference except for the paint. But now Im second guessing. I can say that I am waiting on the pics for the conclusion. <TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by SlammedDC2 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I don't know what to take from all this, all I know is that the OEM optional skirts look better than any of the other ones ITR or not.</TD></TR></TABLE>
I have to agree with this

nautica_t

the break down of part numbers are as follow and someone can correct me if i'm wrong

i'll use right side as an in example.
71800-ST7-Z00ZG

1st set:
71800 -&gt; designates part number for a particular part, such as, side skirt in this case, and right side specifically

2nd set:
ST7 -&gt; designates what vehicle its for and ST7 represents the integra model

3rd set:
Z00ZG -&gt; designates the color code that the product got. and for argument sake since non-itr's didn't get body colored skirts they used 000 as thats the factory black abs plastic.

GSRdude

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by nautica_t &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">the break down of part numbers are as follow and someone can correct me if i'm wrong

i'll use right side as an in example.
71800-ST7-Z00ZG

1st set:
71800 -&gt; designates part number for a particular part, such as, side skirt in this case, and right side specifically

2nd set:
ST7 -&gt; designates what vehicle its for and ST7 represents the integra model

3rd set:
Z00ZG -&gt; designates the color code that the product got. and for argument sake since non-itr's didn't get body colored skirts they used 000 as thats the factory black abs plastic.
</TD></TR></TABLE>

This implies that the only differnce between itr sideskirts and non-itr is color.
If this proves correct.
Can anyone 2nd this information?

btw thanks for the input

coolhandluke

iTrader: (2)

Without having the time (tonight) to look up part numbers myself w/ links, i say we wait and see the results from Madness and zer0bot's fittings and research.

I thought I already knew the answer, but even I'm questioning myself.

It's*BOLO!!

I do know that all ITR's I have ever seen, the stock sides go all the way to the rear, and my LS as well as 2 other of my friends, our sides DO NOT, there is a difference

GSRdude

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by It’s*BOLO!! &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I do know that all ITR's I have ever seen, the stock sides go all the way to the rear, and my LS as well as 2 other of my friends, our sides DO NOT, there is a difference</TD></TR></TABLE>

thats really not what is being argued over here. All of us can see that they appear to be full length on the itr, and the non itr ones clearly dont reach the end of the fender well. Maybe the itr chassis is 1/8" shorter than the other models(not likely but possible). I think the question will be answered when MADNESS puts the itr one on his GSR.

I still think that they are the same just the ones that came on the itr are painted.

nautica_t

08F01-S0K-210A SPOILER, FR. UNDER
( NIGHTHAWK BLACK PEARL ) 1 2001 TL
08F01-S0K-220 SPOILER, FR. UNDER
( TAFFETA WHITE ) 1 2001 TL
08F01-S0K-220A SPOILER, FR. UNDER
( WHITE DIAMOND PEARL ) 1 2001 TL
08F01-S0K-240 SPOILER, FR. UNDER
( FIREPEPPER PEARL ) 1 2001 TL
08F01-S0K-280 SPOILER, FR. UNDER
( SATIN SILVER METALLIC ) 1 2001 TL
08F01-S0K-290 SPOILER, FR. UNDER
( NAPLES GOLD METALLIC ) 1 2001 TL
08F01-S0K-2A0 SPOILER, FR. UNDER
( MONTEREY BLUE PEARL ) 1 2001 TL
08F01-S0K-2D0 SPOILER, FR. UNDER
( DARK EMERALD PEARL ) 1 2001 TL
08F01-S0K-2D0A SPOILER, FR. UNDER
( LAGUNA GREEN METALLIC ) 1 2001 TL


here's a tl with the same system.

Nightscape

Real oem factory polyurethane kit straight from the dealer when the car was purchased...I should have taken them off before selling the car, probably could have made some extra cash if I knew they were still in high demand.
I miss her

zer0bot

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Madness &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I will take more pics tomorrow, and work out getting them fitted to my gsr.

It is time for this debate to end once and for all, whether I am right or wrong.
to an intelligent discussion of a topic long debated here.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Agreed

bg-33p

It's been proven that they are different! What more do u need to prove?!

Madness

If it has been proven ... provide YOUR proof here.
We wouldn't have debated this for 3 pages if it were "proven".

Every thread listed previously had much debate, with a few peoples' opinions ruling as fact.
I am sure everyone agrees that ITR's for some reason appear to have a minor difference. But we are not looking for what "appears" to be the answer.