Honda Accord (1990 - 2002) Includes 1997 - 1999 Acura CL

DIY - Rotor Over Hub Conversion

 
Old 05-06-2018, 07:00 AM
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Originally Posted by dwllama View Post
The Accord and the CL use the same bearing. Only the hub is different. Literally, the OE part numbers are identical for the bearings. Some aftermarket suppliers incorrectly list it as a hub assembly bearing because it has the flanges. It's just a bearing. The hub is the part with the wheel studs and a shaft that fits into the bearing.
So in other words you can just straight up use the assemblies for the CL. You don't have to swap bearings off them at all.
Thanks for the clarification.
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Old 05-06-2018, 08:33 AM
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$50 on PP to whoever is first to add link(s) to some place you can buy 98/99 Acura CL 4 bolt hubs like the ones pictured in the first post.

I can only find hubs like these
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Dorman-950-...y/192393196133
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Old 05-06-2018, 03:06 PM
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Thanks! As far as I can see Acuraoemparts does noe have the hub available anymore. But if I understand correctly I can get the assemblies from Ebay and then swap out the bearings with new Accord bearings
it's 24 not 3
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Old 05-06-2018, 04:01 PM
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this is for those don't have eyes to see
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car-part.com Fill out the info, you're looking for a spindle for a 98-99 Acura CL and select your zip code. Remove hub and buy new bearing if necessary.
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Originally Posted by holmesnmanny View Post
this is for those don't have eyes to see
How the .... did I miss that. I've spent hours browsing for that hub and completely missed there were two sets in that image.

Extremely helpful, thanks!
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Old 05-08-2018, 02:13 AM
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Originally Posted by JimL View Post
How the .... did I miss that. I've spent hours browsing for that hub and completely missed there were two sets in that image.

Extremely helpful, thanks!
no problem at all, bud ... the very first time I looked at the honda diagrams I missed em too

I have done the conversion but I am gonna be in the market for a new hub assembly myself and as you can see the ebay ones are considerably cheaper, in fact, they are the only ones I have found on ebay

if you get the ebay one, let me know how it works out and if the hub is true or not after some miles of driving with new rotors

the good thing about the ebay ones is that it has the bearing already pressed onto it so you get the bearing too and it just bolts onto your existing knuckle and the rotor goes right on top, obviously

given that the bearing they use is NTN, I'm sure the hub is going to be a quality product as well

so if you can let me know how it turns out before i make my purchase i'd appreciate it
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Originally Posted by TOP END MS View Post
You forgot to mention which hub you got. But im assuming the CL '98?
Originally Posted by JDM_DC4_Fanatic View Post
I get shop discount, so each hub cost me $62 and $40 for the bearings. CL Rotors were $40 for both and front pads were $50 for Wagner Thermo quiets. Bringing my total to $194. Now, you may end up paying more for it, everybody gets diffrent prices.

Also, You can re-use your stock bracke calipers, brackets, pads and wheel bearings, However, you can not press out the hub from the bearing without taking the outer race out. So, if you do this swap, you MUST get new wheel bearings. Accord and 98 2.3CL are the same.
I'm reaching for the 98 cl hubs and can't find them in any parts store can anyone help me ?
Locate them I'm in l as Vegas nv.
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Originally Posted by JDM_DC4_Fanatic View Post
I just finished my Rotor-Over-Hub Conversion today, and I took pics along the way, so I figured I would share it with you guys, and maybe help some people out. I also noted that in the Guide to Basic Accords, the R-O-H conversion link is actually from accordingly done, which I think is an insult to us H-T guys. We can have our own DIY's.

Before I begin the process, I will list out the tools and parts you need to get the job done.

Tools:
Proper sized socket to remove lug nuts (usually 19mm, unless aftermarket)
10mm 12 point socket - Wheel bearing bolts
17mm Socket - Caliper bolts, ball joints, tie rod end, caliper bracket bolts
10mm 6 point socket - upper ball joint nut cover, ABS wire bracket bolts, Brake line bracket bolts
14mm Socket - Brake line to caliper bolt (optional)
Torque wrench - same size drive as sockets
36mm socket - Axel nut
48Oz Hammer - Separate ball joints
pliers - To remove cotter pins

Parts:
1998 Acura 2.3CL Front Hubs OEM part # - 44600-YS8-A00
1998 Acura 2.3CL Front Rotors OEM Part # - 45251-S84-A01
1990-1998 Accord Front wheel bearing OEM Part # - 44200-SM1-008
1990-1998 Accord Front brake pads OEM Part # - 45022-SY8-A01
New cotter pins

Step 1:
Raise and support the front of the vehicle safely on jack stands and remove the front wheels.
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Step 2:
The first thing I like to do is loosen the axel nut. You will need a 36mm socket, and an Impact gun(preferred) or a breaker bar, and a long pipe for extra leverage.
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Step 3:
using pliers, remove the cotter pins in the tie rod and lower ball joint. Using a 17mm socket or wrench (socket preferred), loosen the castle nuts on the lower ball joint, and tie rod end. Once he castle nuts are loose, whack the knuckle with a hammer perpendicular to the studs. Note* Ball joints and tie rods are taper fit, always hit the knuckle, not the stud itself or you will ruin the threads. Once the tie rod end is loose, remove the castle nut, and remove the tie rod from the knuckle assembly. Leave the lower ball joint loose, but in place for the time being.
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Step 4:
Using the 10mm 6 point socket, remove the upper ball joint cover (2 bolts), Brake line bracket (2 bolts) and if applicable, the ABS sensor wire bracket (2 bolts)
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Step 5:
With the upper ball joint cover removed, remove the cotter pin and loosen the castle nut like on the lower ball joint, and whack it free, but still leave it loosely in place.
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Step 6:
You can either unbolt the caliper and caliper bracket assembly, and swing it aside, OR, you can undo the brake line bolt and leave the bracket and caliper on the knuckle. I recommend to simply remove the caliper and bracket, and swing it aside. Note* If you do decide to unbolt the brake line, be sure to bleed the brakes when it is reattached.
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Step 7:
Remove the castle nut on the upper ball joint, and separate the top of the knuckle from the upper control arm. Remove the axel nut and tilt the knuckle forward and remove the axel from the bearing/hub assembly. Remove the castle nut on the lower ball joint, and lift the knuckle out.
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Step 8:
Using the 10mm 12 point socket, remove the 4 bolts on the back of the knuckle holding the wheel bearing in place. If you undid the brake line and left the caliper and bracket on the knuckle, now is the time to remove it.
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Step 9:
Get your wheel bearing and your new front hub, pictured here:
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Step 10:
I did this at work, so I have access to a press, if you don't have a press, most garages or machine shops will have one, and should press it for a minimal fee.
It will look something like this.
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The finished product should look like this.
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Here are the finishing steps in order.
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Modified by JDM_DC4_Fanatic at 7:30 PM 7/3/2007


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I can't find 98 2.3 cl hubs!....only 97 2.2 cl hubs!...is there a difference between the two that would affect fitment issues???? Need help
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Old 05-17-2019, 12:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Escamilla_o08 View Post
I can't find 98 2.3 cl hubs!....only 97 2.2 cl hubs!...is there a difference between the two that would affect fitment issues???? Need help
'97 Hubs are the same as 90-97 Accord hubs. The CL is an Acura'd Accord Coupe, lots of similar bits and several unique pieces.
'98/99 is when Honda changed the CL from HOR to ROH, so you need to get the 98/99 hubs.

They are hard to find due to the two year wonder of the CL. If Honda/Acura doesn't have them anymore you will probably have to resort to used or nos parts from a yarde.

IMO, unless you track a lot, and I do mean A LOT, there really is no reason to bother with changing over from HOR to ROH.
Quality rotors will last 80K miles, and by then the front bearings are on their way out anyway so replace both.
Don't believe the hype on the ROH conversion, outside of doing lots of track days and burning through rotors, the conversion doesn't really offer much advantage.
If you are wanting larger rotors, Wagon rotors are fine for most. Anything larger, it would just be simpler to convert to 5x 114.3 BP and then you have rotor selection from Honda>Toyota>Ford>etc etc basically any brand that isn't GM. Gonna need new wheels for the larger brakes anyway.
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