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Old 04-09-2010, 09:40 AM
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There is a sous chef in SE PDX who now has a huge burn scar on his right hand because he "accidentally" put mayo in my vegan club sandwich.
Am I reading that you harmed someone because they put mayo on your sandwich? Story on this?
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Am I reading that you harmed someone because they put mayo on your sandwich? Story on this?
Edit: On second thought, I better not publicly display this story.
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Old 04-09-2010, 09:56 AM
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I honestly don't see how anyone can put on a decent amount of size without meat.
Honestly I used to think the same thing until my boy introduced me to one of his D1 college teamate who was a 6'5 310lb lineman. Dude was enormous like builthatch and he had a very large bone structure, but yeah he was a real deal vegan. Mentioned that he eats pounds of pasta. So yeah its possible but I wouldn't want to go that direction.

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Thank you for the good info. Nice to have a opinion from someone on the inside. Did you ever watch the video "glass walls" on meat.org ? How would you say you place it compared to those places?
I'll post more info later......
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Edit: On second thought, I better not publicly display this story.
cliffs: eating vegan makes you unstable and mean.



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cliffs: eating vegan makes you unstable and mean.



jk
Haha, actually, the vegan diet has led me to a much calmer lifestyle than I previously lived. But if I asked you not to put mayo into food, and you still put the mayo in there intentionally because you thought it would be funny, then, well, you are just asking for it.
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I am 6'4", 203lbs now, and I can bust out 10 reps of 265lb on the bench, and I can still run sub 6:30 min miles.
Impressive by the way
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Impressive by the way
Thanks, man. Embarrassingly enough, about a year ago, I could not even do ten reps of 135lbs.
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Old 04-09-2010, 01:15 PM
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YOu're also in Portland, where every corner has a Vegan friendly restaurant.

I'm a firm believe in a well balanced diet: meats, veggies, fruits, etc
Im in portland as well as evan. We should all get together. Another person in portland is this guy who obviously doesnt have a problem putting on muscle while being vegan.

http://www.veganbodybuilding.com/?page=news
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Thanks, man. Embarrassingly enough, about a year ago, I could not even do ten reps of 135lbs.
Is that you john? You speak like freebird. If not lets get together in portland unless you live in yonkers ny
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Is that you john? You speak like freebird. If not lets get together in portland unless you live in yonkers ny
No, I am definitely not FreeeBird. And I met Robert from VeganBodyBuilding at the convention center last year in PDX. He has WAY too much energy for me, and I can't really hang out with that crowd. I live in SW PDX my self.
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Im in portland as well as evan. We should all get together. Another person in portland is this guy who obviously doesnt have a problem putting on muscle while being vegan.

http://www.veganbodybuilding.com/?page=news
I thought you live in Vancouver?
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No, I am definitely not FreeeBird. And I met Robert from VeganBodyBuilding at the convention center last year in PDX. He has WAY too much energy for me, and I can't really hang out with that crowd. I live in SW PDX my self.
Yeah i put that vegan body building for the other. I would like to pick you brain a little bit some time.
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Yeah i put that vegan body building for the other. I would like to pick you brain a little bit some time.
Well, I can answer pretty much any questions that you may have about the vegan diet.
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I thought you live in Vancouver?

Thats what i tell people so nobody steals my rare clean title stock and slow civic
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Thanks, man. Embarrassingly enough, about a year ago, I could not even do ten reps of 135lbs.
Impossible
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Old 04-09-2010, 07:14 PM
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Finally got the chance to watch the video. We slaughter and kill cows at my work plant. That video on meat.org looks like the video footage was from a foreign country with the cows. The video of the forklift moving the cows was actually in Cali if I remember correctly. NOTHING like that goes on at my plant believe me its illegal and the USDA would shut us down QUICK.

Peta actually got into the plant I work at about 20 years ago posing as phara. reps. They took about 15seconds of footage of a cow being stunned while on the trolley return line. Basically they looped the footage so it looked like every 3rd cow was still kicking after it was alive. While this does happen sometimes its natural, just like a relax. Then they took a trip down to Hatfield farm which is 5 minutes down the road from us. Not sure if you guys are familar with Hatfield frank hotdogs you buy at every major league baseball game. Well basically Peta got into there plant as well and took footage but security chased them out into the parking lot. They tried to run over a security guard to get out of the parking lot......nuts.

Shady things probably do happen at smaller plants that don't have the USDA on site 24 hours a day. Our barn isn't crowded like the one they posted into the video either, which makes me question the location of that plant. Our barn was actually redesigned by Dr.
Temple Grandin, who basically is the Michael Jordan of the beef industry and she has autism...
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Old 04-10-2010, 09:16 AM
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Finally got the chance to watch the video. We slaughter and kill cows at my work plant. That video on meat.org looks like the video footage was from a foreign country with the cows. The video of the forklift moving the cows was actually in Cali if I remember correctly. NOTHING like that goes on at my plant believe me its illegal and the USDA would shut us down QUICK.

Peta actually got into the plant I work at about 20 years ago posing as phara. reps. They took about 15seconds of footage of a cow being stunned while on the trolley return line. Basically they looped the footage so it looked like every 3rd cow was still kicking after it was alive. While this does happen sometimes its natural, just like a relax. Then they took a trip down to Hatfield farm which is 5 minutes down the road from us. Not sure if you guys are familar with Hatfield frank hotdogs you buy at every major league baseball game. Well basically Peta got into there plant as well and took footage but security chased them out into the parking lot. They tried to run over a security guard to get out of the parking lot......nuts.

Shady things probably do happen at smaller plants that don't have the USDA on site 24 hours a day. Our barn isn't crowded like the one they posted into the video either, which makes me question the location of that plant. Our barn was actually redesigned by Dr.
Temple Grandin, who basically is the Michael Jordan of the beef industry and she has autism...
While I became vegan for solely health reasons, it always helps to reaffirm my faith in this diet when i simply look at home much water it takes to make one pound of ground beef. It is disgusting how much water is wasted to create meat products. Fortunately, the huge aquifer under the mid-west should run out of water within the next 25 - 30 years thanks to the beef, chicken, and pig farmers, so no one is gonna be eating any cows then! Win.
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Old 04-10-2010, 04:20 PM
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^Yeah we use over a million gallons of water a day or a week I can't remember at the moment. We have a waste water plant that takes care of it though. Don't worry they will come up with a way to fix the water shortage. Their is too much money in meat products to be lost.

You still using the vita-mix?
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^Yeah we use over a million gallons of water a day or a week I can't remember at the moment. We have a waste water plant that takes care of it though. Don't worry they will come up with a way to fix the water shortage. Their is too much money in meat products to be lost.

You still using the vita-mix?
Yep, I use it every single day.
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Old 04-10-2010, 08:46 PM
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i bought a Book about a month ago:

"The Vegetarian Myth"



It is a pretty good read, the lady was a Vegan for 20 years...and she goes into depth on all the health issues she had and talks about lots of other things.... Here is a pretty good review of the book http://www.pmpress.org/content/artic...y=VegMythEades


The Healthy way to eat is to eat like we were made to eat... "Humans don't have a ruminant's digestive system. Litterally from our teeth to our rectums we are designed for meat. We have no mechanism to digest cellulose" Quote from the book....

Now, the way to do it is eat Free range Organic non GRAIN fed meat...
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Old 04-10-2010, 10:06 PM
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My favorite bumper sticker

"jesus ate meat"


I love supporting the local farms and markets, there is a lot of geat products in MN.
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My favorite bumper sticker

"jesus ate meat"


I love supporting the local farms and markets, there is a lot of geat products in MN.

I have a favorite bumper sticker too: "There is no such thing as God."
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i bought a Book about a month ago:

"The Vegetarian Myth"



It is a pretty good read, the lady was a Vegan for 20 years...and she goes into depth on all the health issues she had and talks about lots of other things.... Here is a pretty good review of the book http://www.pmpress.org/content/artic...y=VegMythEades


The Healthy way to eat is to eat like we were made to eat... "Humans don't have a ruminant's digestive system. Litterally from our teeth to our rectums we are designed for meat. We have no mechanism to digest cellulose" Quote from the book....

Now, the way to do it is eat Free range Organic non GRAIN fed meat...
LOL. Is this lady a doctor?
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i bought a Book about a month ago:

"The Vegetarian Myth"



It is a pretty good read, the lady was a Vegan for 20 years...and she goes into depth on all the health issues she had and talks about lots of other things.... Here is a pretty good review of the book http://www.pmpress.org/content/artic...y=VegMythEades


The Healthy way to eat is to eat like we were made to eat... "Humans don't have a ruminant's digestive system. Litterally from our teeth to our rectums we are designed for meat. We have no mechanism to digest cellulose" Quote from the book....

Now, the way to do it is eat Free range Organic non GRAIN fed meat...
How do you figure our teeth are meant to eat meat?

Facial Muscles

CARNIVORE: Reduced to allow wide mouth gape
HERBIVORE: Well-developed
OMNIVORE: Reduced
HUMAN: Well-developed

Jaw Type

CARNIVORE: Angle not expanded
HERBIVORE: Expanded angle
OMNIVORE: Angle not expanded
HUMAN: Expanded angle

Jaw Joint Location

CARNIVORE: On same plane as molar teeth
HERBIVORE: Above the plane of the molars
OMNIVORE: On same plane as molar teeth
HUMAN: Above the plane of the molars

Jaw Motion

CARNIVORE: Shearing; minimal side-to-side motion
HERBIVORE: No shear; good side-to-side, front-to-back
OMNIVORE: Shearing; minimal side-to-side
HUMAN: No shear; good side-to-side, front-to-back

Major Jaw Muscles

CARNIVORE: Temporalis
HERBIVORE: Masseter and pterygoids
OMNIVORE: Temporalis
HUMAN: Masseter and pterygoids

Mouth Opening vs. Head Size

CARNIVORE: Large
HERBIVORE: Small
OMNIVORE: Large
HUMAN: Small

Teeth: Incisors

CARNIVORE: Short and pointed
HERBIVORE: Broad, flattened and spade shaped
OMNIVORE: Short and pointed
HUMAN: Broad, flattened and spade shaped

Teeth: Canines

CARNIVORE: Long, sharp and curved
HERBIVORE: Dull and short or long (for defense), or none
OMNIVORE: Long, sharp and curved
HUMAN: Short and blunted

Teeth: Molars

CARNIVORE: Sharp, jagged and blade shaped
HERBIVORE: Flattened with cusps vs complex surface
OMNIVORE: Sharp blades and/or flattened
HUMAN: Flattened with nodular cusps

Chewing

CARNIVORE: None; swallows food whole
HERBIVORE: Extensive chewing necessary
OMNIVORE: Swallows food whole and/or simple crushing
HUMAN: Extensive chewing necessary

Saliva

CARNIVORE: No digestive enzymes
HERBIVORE: Carbohydrate digesting enzymes
OMNIVORE: No digestive enzymes
HUMAN: Carbohydrate digesting enzymes

Stomach Type

CARNIVORE: Simple
HERBIVORE: Simple or multiple chambers
OMNIVORE: Simple
HUMAN: Simple

Stomach Acidity

CARNIVORE: Less than or equal to pH 1 with food in stomach
HERBIVORE: pH 4 to 5 with food in stomach
OMNIVORE: Less than or equal to pH 1 with food in stomach
HUMAN: pH 4 to 5 with food in stomach

Stomach Capacity

CARNIVORE: 60% to 70% of total volume of digestive tract
HERBIVORE: Less than 30% of total volume of digestive tract
OMNIVORE: 60% to 70% of total volume of digestive tract
HUMAN: 21% to 27% of total volume of digestive tract

Length of Small Intestine

CARNIVORE: 3 to 6 times body length
HERBIVORE: 10 to more than 12 times body length
OMNIVORE: 4 to 6 times body length
HUMAN: 10 to 11 times body length

Colon

CARNIVORE: Simple, short and smooth
HERBIVORE: Long, complex; may be sacculated
OMNIVORE: Simple, short and smooth
HUMAN: Long, sacculated

Liver

CARNIVORE: Can detoxify vitamin A
HERBIVORE: Cannot detoxify vitamin A
OMNIVORE: Can detoxify vitamin A
HUMAN: Cannot detoxify vitamin A

Kidney

CARNIVORE: Extremely concentrated urine
HERBIVORE: Moderately concentrated urine
OMNIVORE: Extremely concentrated urine
HUMAN: Moderately concentrated urine

Nails

CARNIVORE: Sharp claws
HERBIVORE: Flattened nails or blunt hooves
OMNIVORE: Sharp claws
HUMAN: Flattened nails
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How do you figure our teeth are meant to eat meat?

Facial Muscles

CARNIVORE: Reduced to allow wide mouth gape
HERBIVORE: Well-developed
OMNIVORE: Reduced
HUMAN: Well-developed

Jaw Type

CARNIVORE: Angle not expanded
HERBIVORE: Expanded angle
OMNIVORE: Angle not expanded
HUMAN: Expanded angle

Jaw Joint Location

CARNIVORE: On same plane as molar teeth
HERBIVORE: Above the plane of the molars
OMNIVORE: On same plane as molar teeth
HUMAN: Above the plane of the molars

Jaw Motion

CARNIVORE: Shearing; minimal side-to-side motion
HERBIVORE: No shear; good side-to-side, front-to-back
OMNIVORE: Shearing; minimal side-to-side
HUMAN: No shear; good side-to-side, front-to-back

Major Jaw Muscles

CARNIVORE: Temporalis
HERBIVORE: Masseter and pterygoids
OMNIVORE: Temporalis
HUMAN: Masseter and pterygoids

Mouth Opening vs. Head Size

CARNIVORE: Large
HERBIVORE: Small
OMNIVORE: Large
HUMAN: Small

Teeth: Incisors

CARNIVORE: Short and pointed
HERBIVORE: Broad, flattened and spade shaped
OMNIVORE: Short and pointed
HUMAN: Broad, flattened and spade shaped

Teeth: Canines

CARNIVORE: Long, sharp and curved
HERBIVORE: Dull and short or long (for defense), or none
OMNIVORE: Long, sharp and curved
HUMAN: Short and blunted

Teeth: Molars

CARNIVORE: Sharp, jagged and blade shaped
HERBIVORE: Flattened with cusps vs complex surface
OMNIVORE: Sharp blades and/or flattened
HUMAN: Flattened with nodular cusps

Chewing

CARNIVORE: None; swallows food whole
HERBIVORE: Extensive chewing necessary
OMNIVORE: Swallows food whole and/or simple crushing
HUMAN: Extensive chewing necessary

Saliva

CARNIVORE: No digestive enzymes
HERBIVORE: Carbohydrate digesting enzymes
OMNIVORE: No digestive enzymes
HUMAN: Carbohydrate digesting enzymes

Stomach Type

CARNIVORE: Simple
HERBIVORE: Simple or multiple chambers
OMNIVORE: Simple
HUMAN: Simple

Stomach Acidity

CARNIVORE: Less than or equal to pH 1 with food in stomach
HERBIVORE: pH 4 to 5 with food in stomach
OMNIVORE: Less than or equal to pH 1 with food in stomach
HUMAN: pH 4 to 5 with food in stomach

Stomach Capacity

CARNIVORE: 60% to 70% of total volume of digestive tract
HERBIVORE: Less than 30% of total volume of digestive tract
OMNIVORE: 60% to 70% of total volume of digestive tract
HUMAN: 21% to 27% of total volume of digestive tract

Length of Small Intestine

CARNIVORE: 3 to 6 times body length
HERBIVORE: 10 to more than 12 times body length
OMNIVORE: 4 to 6 times body length
HUMAN: 10 to 11 times body length

Colon

CARNIVORE: Simple, short and smooth
HERBIVORE: Long, complex; may be sacculated
OMNIVORE: Simple, short and smooth
HUMAN: Long, sacculated

Liver

CARNIVORE: Can detoxify vitamin A
HERBIVORE: Cannot detoxify vitamin A
OMNIVORE: Can detoxify vitamin A
HUMAN: Cannot detoxify vitamin A

Kidney

CARNIVORE: Extremely concentrated urine
HERBIVORE: Moderately concentrated urine
OMNIVORE: Extremely concentrated urine
HUMAN: Moderately concentrated urine

Nails

CARNIVORE: Sharp claws
HERBIVORE: Flattened nails or blunt hooves
OMNIVORE: Sharp claws
HUMAN: Flattened nails
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