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Old 07-08-2019, 05:41 PM
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I hadn't put in any gas in my cars for more than two months. Went today, and E85 was everywhere, and some pumps were covered up with red bags. I did find a station with E10 and nothing else.....but how long will I be able to use E10? Not even my Congressman or State Rep knew.

I know there has been a loosening of regs regarding E15, the epa can move on that. I don't know much about the regs for E85, other than all of a sudden it's everywhere.

Anybody have thoughts on this?

Otherwise, I have been seeing a newer swap engine here in these forum, but haven't paid any attention.
What is the most modern engine I could put in my '90 LS (DA)? That swap parts are already being made?

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I hadn't put in any gas in my cars for more than two months. Went today, and E85 was everywhere, and some pumps were covered up with red bags. I did find a station with E10 and nothing else.....but how long will I be able to use E10? Not even my Congressman or State Rep knew.

I know there has been a loosening of regs regarding E15, the epa can move on that. I don't know much about the regs for E85, other than all of a sudden it's everywhere.

Anybody have thoughts on this?

Otherwise, I have been seeing a newer swap engine here in these forum, but haven't paid any attention.
What is the most modern engine I could put in my '90 LS (DA)? That swap parts are already being made?

Thanks
This is a general debate discussion on the particulars and nuances of E85
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What rock do you live under? We’ve had E85 stations here for at least a decade.
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Old 07-08-2019, 06:06 PM
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What rock do you live under? We’ve had E85 stations here for at least a decade.
I've see a few, but rural Texas has not been going alone with the stupid waste called ethanol....willingly. That's why I like it here. Ethanol ruins tractor motors (farm and ranch), boat motors, small engines, etc.
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I have a feeling this is more about what to swap in your da than talks of e85 stations showing up.
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I've see a few, but rural Texas has not been going alone with the stupid waste called ethanol....willingly. That's why I like it here. Ethanol ruins tractor motors (farm and ranch), boat motors, small engines, etc.
The E85 doesn't ruin them, not designing and tuning for the much higher volume needed is what ruins them.
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I know my SVT isn’t going to play well once we cross over that 15%+ bullshit.
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I'd love it if E85 was available locally. I'm about to buy a 55-gal drum with a pump for the garage.
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I'd love it if E85 was available locally. I'm about to buy a 55-gal drum with a pump for the garage.
I run E85 in my GT3. Cheap and runs cool.
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I picked up nearly 100whp by going from 91 octane to E85, I also lifted my heads with that whp jump and put my local tow truck drivers kid through community college though
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The E85 doesn't ruin them, not designing and tuning for the much higher volume needed is what ruins them.
Well..
- you're basically running sugar through your fuel system
- has fewer BTUs of energy combusted than 93 octane. (Which is why you need such larger fuel lines and injectors compared to.VP109 or methanol
-may be cheap but you're refueling more than grandpa goes to the bathroom on a day
- requires significant changes to fuel lines since you're not running petroleum (see 1st point)
- if you store the car for extended periods, you need to put 91-93 octane back in, or start issues occur
-doesn't work well with high zinc content oils like Brad Penn (turns into sludge quickly).
-flex fuel sensors and such make it one more gauge to read.
Etc,etc,etc...
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I picked up nearly 100whp by going from 91 octane to E85, I also lifted my heads with that whp jump and put my local tow truck drivers kid through community college though
in a POS subaru or mitsu? =D
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in a POS subaru or mitsu? =D
Itís a single turbo VQ, L19ís sorted out the head lift, making a happy 700whp now
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I run E85 in my GT3. Cheap and runs cool.
It's only available down in Phoenix area and even then I hear most of it tests on the shitty side (more like E54).
BUTTTT a buddy's shop up near me is now an authorized VP dealer. I also got the number to a shop down in Phx that can get me T85 in drums too. Since I don't daily it, 55 gal drum of it might make sense.
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E85 at the Sheetz down the street.
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It's only available down in Phoenix area and even then I hear most of it tests on the shitty side (more like E54).
BUTTTT a buddy's shop up near me is now an authorized VP dealer. I also got the number to a shop down in Phx that can get me T85 in drums too. Since I don't daily it, 55 gal drum of it might make sense.
Tuners seem to say you get all the benefits at anything above 50% ethanol.
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Tuners seem to say you get all the benefits at anything above 50% ethanol.
Yeah, pretty much... E54 is maybe a 2-3% drop in power potential from E85

I've been diluting my E85 down to 60-65% E as my injectors are completely maxed out
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Tuners seem to say you get all the benefits at anything above 50% ethanol.
Yea most tuners only tune for an e60 mix.

Not sure about this platform, but Subaru has a flex fuel kit that efficiently measures the level of ethanol in your tank along with your regular gas to make a mix. You can pick up considerable amount of WHP/TQ with stock components with a flex fuel kit.

There is e85 at Newark airport, but it would be such a pain to go back and forth, and I have no place to put a large gallon drum, which would be the only way I would use e85. IF I had the space for one, I would definitely run e85. It prevents detonation substantially.
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Itís a single turbo VQ, L19ís sorted out the head lift, making a happy 700whp now
T minus 10....9....

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I prefer to tune systems that can adapt flex sensors (like AEM), so the maps are blended as a function of ethanol content. Back in Va (Manassas) E85 was consistently E85-90. The station in Ashburn was consistently E70+-. I haven't filled up since moving to WVa, so I'm not sure how consistent the local blend is.
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I run E85 in my GT3. Cheap and runs cool.

Stock tune?
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The E85 doesn't ruin them, not designing and tuning for the much higher volume needed is what ruins them.
Tell that to a rancher or farmer that has already spent $200,000 on a number of pieces of equipment....that has to work like hell to make ends meet. Spending more on newer equipment or modification (and can you modify a harvester?), will end some of the independents and family owned outfits. I live near several small farms and ranches.

....not to mention that I'll spend up to another 7-8k to keep my car...with a K swap. It's worth it to me, but I'd rather run my B18a1 for several more years. Only 180k miles. I guess I'll have to learn more about tuning and such than I thought I'd have to.
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Stock tune?
No, tuned for e85.
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E85 is good stuff if you make power and street drive. I did a write up back in the day and tracked my MPG loss going from 91oct to E85 and my turbo car went from like 31mpg to about 26mpg. Back when I started using E85 though it was about a dollar cheaper than 91 so it all balanced itself out. I never had issues with the fuel eating anything.
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Well..
- you're basically running sugar through your fuel system
- has fewer BTUs of energy combusted than 93 octane. (Which is why you need such larger fuel lines and injectors compared to.VP109 or methanol
-may be cheap but you're refueling more than grandpa goes to the bathroom on a day
- requires significant changes to fuel lines since you're not running petroleum (see 1st point)
- if you store the car for extended periods, you need to put 91-93 octane back in, or start issues occur
-doesn't work well with high zinc content oils like Brad Penn (turns into sludge quickly).
-flex fuel sensors and such make it one more gauge to read.
Etc,etc,etc...
My Kawasaki F7 loved it blended with castor oil, but it needed a huge fuel petcock and jets.
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